"Henry V's Greatest Victory Is Beseiged by Academia"

[Ed Anger]

I want to play the Agincourt scenario from Men of Iron now. I'd get stuck playing the french though. 

[PDH]

Bring in a unit of Char B1 Bis from ASL and fuck the mud and the shitty English.

[Habbaku]

I want to play the Agincourt scenario from Men of Iron now. I'd get stuck playing the french though. 

PBEM? 

[Siege]

Interesting discussion.

[Ed Anger]

Bring in a unit of Char B1 Bis from ASL and fuck the mud and the shitty English.

It would be like that one desert storm game with the joke Godzilla counter. Since the game was so hideously unbalanced.

[Alatriste]

The "invasion" of William and Mary is generally not counted as such, since although the pair arrived with a large army, it was by invitation. In essence parliament contracted out for a better monarch. 

First of all, neither the Parliament nor the Commons invited William and Mary to England... the "Inmortal Seven" (just one bishop and six noblemen) did! Actually, they had no trust at all in that Parliament, the cornerstone of their plan was the election of a new one (read William's proclamation) Second, "generally" must mean "generally in England" because the Dutch themselves certainly aren't included...

[grumbler]

First of all, neither the Parliament nor the Commons invited William and Mary to England... the "Inmortal Seven" (just one bishop and six noblemen) did! Actually, they had no trust at all in that Parliament, the cornerstone of their plan was the election of a new one (read William's proclamation) Second, "generally" must mean "generally in England" because the Dutch themselves certainly aren't included...

First of all, Parliament itself couldn't meet and issue the invitation, because James has dismissed it.   The "Immortal Seven" included, in fact, the leaders of the Tory and Whig wings of Parliament!  Had Parliament actually been in session, there is no question that they would have approved, and they certainly approved retroactively.

Second, "generally" must mean more than just inn England, because the Dutch themselves consider this to be a friendly act and not an invasion, and it is viewed as such in the US as well.  maybe it is not taught that way in Spanish schools, but I think the evidence is abundant that the overwhelming majority of the English of the time considered this a friendly act (though many Scots and Irish might disagree).

[Malthus]

The "invasion" of William and Mary is generally not counted as such, since although the pair arrived with a large army, it was by invitation. In essence parliament contracted out for a better monarch. 

First of all, neither the Parliament nor the Commons invited William and Mary to England... the "Inmortal Seven" (just one bishop and six noblemen) did! Actually, they had no trust at all in that Parliament, the cornerstone of their plan was the election of a new one (read William's proclamation) Second, "generally" must mean "generally in England" because the Dutch themselves certainly aren't included...

James had lost all credibility in England. The "invitation" was generally approved; certainly the army and navy made no objections. Hence the usual title "Glorious Revolution" rather than "Dutch Invasion".

The fact that the former title is appropriate is demonstrated by the subsequent events - the creation of a limited, constitutional monarchy, complete with an effective bill of rights.

Apparently, William was opposed to this (it provided for severe limitations on his rights and effectively imposed parliamentary supremacy on him). Odd then, if his rule was the result of a successful invasion by force of arms, that its effect was to make the monarch abide by parliament - something parliament could never get its Stewart monarchs to do! 

His coercing by Parliament speaks volumes about what really went on. Certainly *he* was under no illusions that he was there by dint of military might alone.