Gustavus Adolphus the Great remembrance thread (Neil, stay out)

[Viking]

He killed Papists, Poles, Russians and Austrians. How can one not approve.

So did the Muslims.

Nobody can be all evil, not even the muslims.

[saskganesh]

One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.

suckered you into a 100 year war trying to conquer Vienna and become HRE?

he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.

[alfred russel]

he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.

Or Alexander the Great?

[Syt]

He killed Papists, Poles, Russians and Austrians. How can one not approve.

He wanted to build a Swedish Baltic Empire. Which is a bad idea to begin with. It would be better even to give it all to the Finns.

[Gambrinus]

One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.

suckered you into a 100 year war trying to conquer Vienna and become HRE?

he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.

Nah, that was his nephew, Charles X.
(what had happened if he hadn't ignored his own health (apparently he ignored others...) is another interesting what if?)

As for Minskys comment, Gustavus Adolphus was an extremeley able king, and that included appointing extremely able servants of the state. Granted, the framework for reform was already set when the King fell on the field of glory, fog and gore.

[Valmy]

Why do you think freedom is funny?

[Malthus]

One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.

suckered you into a 100 year war trying to conquer Vienna and become HRE?

he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.

Nah, that was his nephew, Charles X.
(what had happened if he hadn't ignored his own health (apparently he ignored others...) is another interesting what if?)

As for Minskys comment, Gustavus Adolphus was an extremeley able king, and that included appointing extremely able servants of the state. Granted, the framework for reform was already set when the King fell on the field of glory, fog and gore.

Yeah, but what made Adolphus think that getting involved in the 30 Years War was a tremendously good idea?

[Ed Anger]

Yeah, but what made Adolphus think that getting involved in the 30 Years War was a tremendously good idea?

Establishing IKEA stores in Germany.

[Malthus]

Yeah, but what made Adolphus think that getting involved in the 30 Years War was a tremendously good idea?

Establishing IKEA stores in Germany.

Raping and pillaging isn't what they teach as good customer relations in marketing class these days. More's the pity. 

[Gambrinus]

One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.

suckered you into a 100 year war trying to conquer Vienna and become HRE?

he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.

Nah, that was his nephew, Charles X.
(what had happened if he hadn't ignored his own health (apparently he ignored others...) is another interesting what if?)

As for Minskys comment, Gustavus Adolphus was an extremeley able king, and that included appointing extremely able servants of the state. Granted, the framework for reform was already set when the King fell on the field of glory, fog and gore.

Yeah, but what made Adolphus think that getting involved in the 30 Years War was a tremendously good idea?

That's very debated to this day and one prominent essay subject in History classes at the University.
For himself: power, glory and defending the faith I guess (yeah, I know, he allied with France, but they then weren't interested in bashing protestants, they were interested in bashing the Emperor, so it suited his causes). For the rest: Power to the budding state, glory and profit to the upper classes, spreading the faith. It was not at all certain that the campaign would be victorious and it wasn't an easy decision for the four estates to make.

[The Brain]

One of the persons who influenced Sweden the most. I wonder what would have happened had he not perished that morning.

suckered you into a 100 year war trying to conquer Vienna and become HRE?

he was kind've like Patton. If he didn't have a war, he would make one.

Nah, that was his nephew, Charles X.
(what had happened if he hadn't ignored his own health (apparently he ignored others...) is another interesting what if?)

As for Minskys comment, Gustavus Adolphus was an extremeley able king, and that included appointing extremely able servants of the state. Granted, the framework for reform was already set when the King fell on the field of glory, fog and gore.

Yeah, but what made Adolphus think that getting involved in the 30 Years War was a tremendously good idea?

Hindsight.

[Neil]

I think it's been established that the way he died was foolish.