And the Peace Nobel Prize for 2009 goes to...

Started by Martinus, October 09, 2009, 04:08:05 AM

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Martim Silva

 :huh:

I... can't justify this.

I mean, I would not mind Obama winning if he had actually done anything (like ending at least one of the wars the US is in), but he has done nothing worthy of note yet!


If he had spent his mandate(s) on a lot of international diplomacy and hard efforts, I could see him winning in about a decade or so, but today... it is just inappropriate.

Also, he is too young. I used to think of the Nobel as a sort of 'lifetime achievement' award, given to lives dedicated to something, but he was awarded just for... hope? nice words? wanting to get rid of nuclear weapons?

No, this is a really bad choice. It borders on the ludicrous.

Quote from: Lettow77 on October 09, 2009, 02:47:22 PM
Agelastus, your avatar is so pretty as to distract me from the thread was about.

I agree  :blush:

Jaron

Quote from: grumbler on October 09, 2009, 05:19:46 AM
Wow.  :huh:  Just wow.  :huh:
Agree that this is worse than Arafat.  The prize committee lost little creditability with this choice, for they had little to lose.  But they lost all that they had.

Obama is worse than Arafat? :rolleyes: Give me a fucking break.
Winner of THE grumbler point.

Agelastus

Quote from: Jaron on October 09, 2009, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 09, 2009, 05:19:46 AM
Wow.  :huh:  Just wow.  :huh:
Agree that this is worse than Arafat.  The prize committee lost little creditability with this choice, for they had little to lose.  But they lost all that they had.

Obama is worse than Arafat? :rolleyes: Give me a fucking break.

That's not what he said Jaron; Obama's done less to deserve the prize than even Arafat is what he said.

That's pretty much objective fact, given how little time Obama has had to exercise his influence on the world stage.

Now as for Obama the man compared to Arafat, I am sure Obama is a much more honourable and worthy individual. But since the Peace Prize should relate to actions, that's frankly irrelevant to the discussion.
"Come grow old with me
The Best is yet to be
The last of life for which the first was made."

Malthus

Quote from: Jaron on October 09, 2009, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 09, 2009, 05:19:46 AM
Wow.  :huh:  Just wow.  :huh:
Agree that this is worse than Arafat.  The prize committee lost little creditability with this choice, for they had little to lose.  But they lost all that they had.

Obama is worse than Arafat? :rolleyes: Give me a fucking break.

Obama isn't worse than Arafat; giving Obama the Nobel makes less sense though, because he hasn't really done much of anything yet. With Arafat, the Committee was merely wrongly of the opinion that Arafat *had* done peaceful stuff.

After all, you aren't worse than Arafat, either, but we'd all be pretty surprised if you got the prize.   ;)
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

derspiess

Quote from: KRonn on October 09, 2009, 12:13:22 PM
Heck, Pres Obama hasn't even brought peace to the US! Our political divisions are worse than ever!    :(  

And look how he left Chicago, what with honor students getting beaten to death & whatnot.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 09, 2009, 11:36:58 AM
Don't be ridiculous he should accept the prize and deposit the $$ in the Treasury.  Drop in the bucket perhaps but every little bit counts.

Throw the medal on ebay & then put that $$ in the Treasury, & we'll be okay.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Martinus

Quote from: Malthus on October 09, 2009, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Jaron on October 09, 2009, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 09, 2009, 05:19:46 AM
Wow.  :huh:  Just wow.  :huh:
Agree that this is worse than Arafat.  The prize committee lost little creditability with this choice, for they had little to lose.  But they lost all that they had.

Obama is worse than Arafat? :rolleyes: Give me a fucking break.

Obama isn't worse than Arafat; giving Obama the Nobel makes less sense though, because he hasn't really done much of anything yet. With Arafat, the Committee was merely wrongly of the opinion that Arafat *had* done peaceful stuff.

After all, you aren't worse than Arafat, either, but we'd all be pretty surprised if you got the prize.   ;)

There should be a Jaron option in Nobel peace prize voting. :P

derspiess

Quote from: Malthus on October 09, 2009, 04:05:39 PM
After all, you aren't worse than Arafat, either

Oh, let's not be too hasty with that statement.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Jaron

You guys are always bitching about the PLO and how you're happy Arafat died and how he was a terrorist and a murderer. And yet...

you somehow deem him more worthy of the prize than the President of the United States.

Since his rise to prominence, Obama has called for healing in America, of old racial tensions and political hatreds. He has brought together multitides who only a short time ago would have made strange bedfellows, very strange indeed. Likewise, in the wake of the disasterous Bush administration, he toured Europe, letting our old allies know they still have a friend across the Atlantic. He has taken great measures to ensure the Muslim world that America is not their enemy, and that they too have an ally in the struggle against terrorism and religious extremism.

This is not a case of a man not doing his part to secure peace.

This is NOT a case of a man being unworthy of this honor.

This is a case of Obama haters grasping at straws to deny their most hated political enemy a just and deserved recognition for his efforts not on the half of Democrats, nor just Americans, but every single human being on this planet today and untold multitudes yet to be born into the world of tomorrow.
Winner of THE grumbler point.

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Fireblade

Quote from: Jaron on October 09, 2009, 04:20:48 PM
You guys are always bitching about the PLO and how you're happy Arafat died and how he was a terrorist and a murderer. And yet...

you somehow deem him more worthy of the prize than the President of the United States.

Since his rise to prominence, Obama has called for healing in America, of old racial tensions and political hatreds. He has brought together multitides who only a short time ago would have made strange bedfellows, very strange indeed. Likewise, in the wake of the disasterous Bush administration, he toured Europe, letting our old allies know they still have a friend across the Atlantic. He has taken great measures to ensure the Muslim world that America is not their enemy, and that they too have an ally in the struggle against terrorism and religious extremism.

This is not a case of a man not doing his part to secure peace.

This is NOT a case of a man being unworthy of this honor.

This is a case of Obama haters grasping at straws to deny their most hated political enemy a just and deserved recognition for his efforts not on the half of Democrats, nor just Americans, but every single human being on this planet today and untold multitudes yet to be born into the world of tomorrow.

QFT

Whatever happened to Republicans taking pride in OUR country?

Fate

Republicans today are now on the side of Hamas and the Taliban in condemning this award.

Agelastus

You might want to consider the difference between deeds and words, or more appropriately, actions and intentions, before you bury yourself any further Jaron.

You might also want to notice that although Languish is fairly evenly divided on Obama, it is virtually 100% united in declaring that he does not, as yet, deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.
"Come grow old with me
The Best is yet to be
The last of life for which the first was made."

Razgovory

Quote from: Caliga on October 09, 2009, 12:21:05 PM
See, this thing is a Catch-22.

I probably would not turn down a million dollars, but there's no way I'd be elected President... so I'd never be presented with the million dollars to turn down.  I think a safe answer for me is "I would never accept the Nobel Peace Prize".  :)

Most people who get it aren't elected President.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Jaron on October 09, 2009, 04:20:48 PM
for his efforts not on the half of Democrats, nor just Americans, but every single human being on this planet today and untold multitudes yet to be born into the world of tomorrow.

behalf
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