Which High School Students Are Most Likely to Graduate From College?

[merithyn]

Yeah, Merri. I bet juvenile delinquents fare much better than the gifted and talented kids. You go on believing the dream, girl. 

Edit: Also, I guess an article about the quality of education would carry more weight, if it wasn't full of typos.

Gifted kids do struggle at university, though. Most of the time, it's because they've never had to apply themselves, so when confronted with classes that don't come easily, they don't know how to study.

There was a study around a few years ago that showed that gifted kids had a slightly higher drop out rate than non-gifted kids, but I can't find it at the moment. I didn't remember SES, race, or gender being discussed in that study, but that doesn't mean those weren't factors.

[grumbler]

Weird.
Uni is usually a in for a penny in for a pound buisness for the poor.
If you manage to scrape up the money and grades to get there you finish it.

In the US, things are a bit different.  Something like 50% of the high school graduates attend college.  Clearly, not all of them are prepared to succeed.  A 44% dropout rate still leaves a 56% graduation rate, which translates to a college graduation rate equal to 28% of all high school graduates, which (if the old numbers I saw still hold true) is something like 100% better than the average for the OECD countries.

The question for the US is how to recognize and correct the admission of students not prepared to succeed in college.

[Sheilbh]

Weird.
Uni is usually a in for a penny in for a pound buisness for the poor.
If you manage to scrape up the money and grades to get there you finish it.

Yeah.  The drop-out rate in this country's low.  I think around 7% but even that, I believe, disproportionately effects the poor.

[dps]

Of course, not all poor kids who drop out of college do so because they can't cut it academically.  Some of them end up having to drop out so that they can go to work full time.

[garbon]

Gifted kids do struggle at university, though. Most of the time, it's because they've never had to apply themselves, so when confronted with classes that don't come easily, they don't know how to study.

While not the case across the board (and certainly would have been different had a stuck in my CS track), I found the majority of classes that I took to require less personal application than my classes in high school.

[The Brain]

If you have to apply yourself to get through university how exactly are you gifted?

[The Brain]

I was part of a gifted and talented education program.

WHAT HAPPEN

[Martinus]

Yeah, Merri. I bet juvenile delinquents fare much better than the gifted and talented kids. You go on believing the dream, girl. 

Edit: Also, I guess an article about the quality of education would carry more weight, if it wasn't full of typos.

Gifted kids do struggle at university, though. Most of the time, it's because they've never had to apply themselves, so when confronted with classes that don't come easily, they don't know how to study.

There was a study around a few years ago that showed that gifted kids had a slightly higher drop out rate than non-gifted kids, but I can't find it at the moment. I didn't remember SES, race, or gender being discussed in that study, but that doesn't mean those weren't factors.

I was part of a gifted pupil programme at the elementary school and the high school, and I graduated from the uni with honors. In fact, I'd say the uni required less work than highschool or the elementary school.

[Martinus]

I was part of a gifted and talented education program.

WHAT HAPPEN

[DontSayBanana]

I'm starting to get really sick of these over-targeted statistics. A pretty large percentage of the student body at my school (including me) already "fulfilled the prophecy" of dropping out and are returning to earn a degree; 17.8% of attending students were over 35 during the Fall 2008 semester:

http://www.njintouch.state.nj.us/highereducation/statistics/Enr2008Age.htm

Approximately 15% (about 50,000) of ALL public institutions' students in NJ were over the age of 35; I just wonder if the research reflects the huge number of returning students.

[DisturbedPervert]

While not the case across the board (and certainly would have been different had a stuck in my CS track), I found the majority of classes that I took to require less personal application than my classes in high school.

Yeap.  There was little to no busy work in college compared to the mountain I would get in high school.

[garbon]

WHAT HAPPEN

When I moved to Massachusetts, they didn't have such a program.

[garbon]

I'm starting to get really sick of these over-targeted statistics. A pretty large percentage of the student body at my school (including me) already "fulfilled the prophecy" of dropping out and are returning to earn a degree; 17.8% of attending students were over 35 during the Fall 2008 semester:

http://www.njintouch.state.nj.us/highereducation/statistics/Enr2008Age.htm

Approximately 15% (about 50,000) of ALL public institutions' students in NJ were over the age of 35; I just wonder if the research reflects the huge number of returning students.

Why would they? I don't think that the various people in that article would consider that as a positive.

[Valmy]

Failing to open educational opportunities to all students will endanger "the long-term health of our country," the authors warn.

It sounds like lots of people are getting opportunities they just are not doing the work.

[dps]

Failing to open educational opportunities to all students will endanger "the long-term health of our country," the authors warn.

It sounds like lots of people are getting opportunities they just are not doing the work.

Well, if you graduate from a crappy high school that really didn't do anything to educate you, and then you can't cut it at college, an argument can be made that you didn't have a real opportunity to succeed at college.