Political Games at CFTC - Pinning the Tail on the "Speculators"

Started by The Minsky Moment, August 04, 2009, 06:53:12 PM

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Scipio

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August 05, 2009, 11:30:28 AM
From a certain standpoint, all commodities trading is speculation.
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#16
August 05, 2009, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: Scipio on August 05, 2009, 11:30:28 AM
From a certain standpoint, all trading is speculation.

Fixed.  Viewed that way, the proposition becomes a truism.  And one not subject to any solution beyond nationalization.
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#17
August 05, 2009, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 05, 2009, 09:09:52 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 05, 2009, 08:48:54 AM
If demand is inelastic, a small increase in demand can produce a large increase in price.
If demand and supply are extremely inelastic then what you are describing can happen.  But demand is elastic.  We saw it in the US: prices went up, driving went down. 

Worldwide energy demand went down as a consequence of the global economic downturn and that fed through to energy prices.  But even then there is a time period over which the adjustment occurs.  Its not like everyone shuts down all their plants overnight - it is a drawn-out process that plays out over many months.

What I've yet to see is solid affirmative evidence that links alleged speculation in the energy derivatives markets with spot market prices paid for physical quantities.
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Razgovory

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August 06, 2009, 02:17:52 AM
Oh.  I was hoping this would be a browser game or something. :(
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