EU Canada unification thread

[crazy canuck]

Canada went with Saab for our military aircraft.  In part to reduce our spending/reliance on the US and to increase our ties to the EU.

This will be the first in a lengthy list of moves needed to move further away from the Americans and toward Europe.

[Valmy]

Finally Charles III can be an EU head of state again.

[HVC]

Bring back the avro arrow!

[crazy canuck]

Germany signed a long term LNG supply agreement.

[Richard Hakluyt]

I daresay that Europe will be happy to take as many primary products as Canada has to sell; just need to get the transportation routes sorted.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah, getting the transportation infrastructure figured out is going to be the biggest step. As a nation, we are firmly oriented north south at the moment, that it will take a bit of doing. But there is certainly both the political and societal will to get it done.

[Grey Fox]

Bring your checkbooks, Western Canada.

[Norgy]

Canada went with Saab for our military aircraft.  In part to reduce our spending/reliance on the US and to increase our ties to the EU.

This will be the first in a lengthy list of moves needed to move further away from the Americans and toward Europe.

I do believe the aircraft has proven to be JSF's superior in most tests as well.

Norway would definitely welcome even closer ties, Denmark too. Together we can sort out the Arctic.

[crazy canuck]

Bring your checkbooks, Western Canada.

The infrastructure we are talking about will mainly be built up in Quebec and through Ontario.

[crazy canuck]

Canada went with Saab for our military aircraft.  In part to reduce our spending/reliance on the US and to increase our ties to the EU.

This will be the first in a lengthy list of moves needed to move further away from the Americans and toward Europe.

I do believe the aircraft has proven to be JSF's superior in most tests as well.

Norway would definitely welcome even closer ties, Denmark too. Together we can sort out the Arctic.

Yes, the main reason the US offering was initially the front runner was our then need to integrate with them.  That, of course, no longer holds.

[HVC]

Bring your checkbooks, Western Canada.

The infrastructure we are talking about will mainly be built up in Quebec and through Ontario.

I think he means provincial "bribes" are in the future.

[grumbler]

The tests Canada ran in 2021 showed that the F-35 was vastly superior to the Gripen E in both mision capabilities and upgrade potential:

Most compelling was the mission performance metric; the F-35 scored a 97-to-22 percent advantage over the Gripen.

The gap widens further when considering the ability to continually upgrade an aircraft across its lifecycle: The F-35 scored 100 percent, compared with the Gripen's 28.

https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/canada-f-35-fighter-debate-is-now-over/

The cost and political considerations, however, may favor the inferior aircraft, as Canada might not want to spend that much money (the F-35 is cheaper to buy but the Gripen far cheaper to operate) nor trust the US to provide them with ongoing technical support as relations freeze.

Personally, I think that a missile truck like the F-15EX would be a better buy, if they can get it for less than the ludicrous prices the USAF is paying for it.

[crazy canuck]

The tests Canada ran in 2021 showed that the F-35 was vastly superior to the Gripen E in both mision capabilities and upgrade potential:

Most compelling was the mission performance metric; the F-35 scored a 97-to-22 percent advantage over the Gripen.

The gap widens further when considering the ability to continually upgrade an aircraft across its lifecycle: The F-35 scored 100 percent, compared with the Gripen's 28.

https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/canada-f-35-fighter-debate-is-now-over/

The cost and political considerations, however, may favor the inferior aircraft, as Canada might not want to spend that much money (the F-35 is cheaper to buy but the Gripen far cheaper to operate) nor trust the US to provide them with ongoing technical support as relations freeze.

Personally, I think that a missile truck like the F-15EX would be a better buy, if they can get it for less than the ludicrous prices the USAF is paying for it.

Shockingly, a US based click bait organization says the US product is superior.

Also, you have lightly brushed away the "political considerations" but why we would we want to buy a weapon system that would make us entirely reliant on US manufacturers and suppliers? 

Lastly these are the surveillance aircraft.  The final decision on the fighters is forthcoming.  But given this decision, the fighter decision will likely go the same way.

[Bauer]

It seems like the decision calculus has changed a lot, now favouring deals that promote more diversification of allied supplied chains and domestic industrial benefit.  I think Canadians would be more than happy with a lesser plane that accomplished that.

The submarine decision is expected by end of June and will be a big one.

[mongers]

Bring back the avro arrow!

This.