Niche history question: War of Austrian Succession / Second Silesian War

Started by Oexmelin, April 10, 2026, 12:48:38 PM

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Oexmelin

I am nearing the end of my easily available resources (am I really not a military historian), so I figured I may as well ask a bunch of historical wargames nerds...

I am reading intercepted correspondance from 1740-1748, and one guy is relaying to his brother-in-law, who lives in the Caribbean, news from Europe.

In a letter, dated August 25th 1745, he writes: "The King of Prussia is in Bohemia, pursued by Prince Charles, while the Palatine of the Rhine is in Silesia with 30 000 men".

At that time, as far as I can tell, the Count Palatine of the Rhine is Karl IV Theodor, but I can't find any hint that he ever was at the head of an army in Silesia.

It may very well be that the author is misinformed, or that he mistook some military commander for another, but I am having a hard time figuring who he may be referring to - or if there even was an army of that size in Silesia in August 1745.

So, if some of you have some order of battle, or ultra-detailed info about the Second Silesian War, that could help identify who that guy is referring to, I'd be most grateful.



 
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Valmy

The only part of this war I am sufficiently nerdy about is Fontenoy :frog:. And no Rhinelanders in that battle.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Valmy on April 10, 2026, 01:41:35 PMThe only part of this war I am sufficiently nerdy about is Fontenoy :frog:. And no Rhinelanders in that battle.

Travailler pour le roi de Prusse  :frog:  :thumbsdown: ?

Valmy

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 10, 2026, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 10, 2026, 01:41:35 PMThe only part of this war I am sufficiently nerdy about is Fontenoy :frog:. And no Rhinelanders in that battle.

Travailler pour le roi de Prusse  :frog:  :thumbsdown: ?

C'est parce que je pense que cette bataille a convaincu un nombre de Français de l'incompétence de la monarchie. La France avait fini par conquérir les Pays-Bas autrichiens au prix de tant de sang et d'efforts, pour que Louis XV les cède purement et simplement.

So I sort of consider this a big first step on the road to Revolution. Plus the French beat the British, which is fun.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Syt

This time would be between the battles of Hohenfriedberg and Soor.

From what I can glean from a very cursory glance/search in the Austrian newspapers for July/August 1745 it seems that Chur-Sächsische, not Chur-Pfälzische/-Mainzisch/-Bavarian units were in Silesia in July/August (funky, not always consistent spellings make the text search a bit hard, though :P ).

I was also going through the battles/documents that came with Wargame Design Studio's game about the war, but no luck there, either.

My uneducated layman's guess would be that the letter writer might have mixed up his Kurfürsten? Or confused Prinz Karl with Kurfürst Karl?
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Oexmelin

It was my own guess as well - I was wondering if, somehow, he mixed Saxons with Palatines.

The great thing is, the author mentions his source: an obscure leaflet published in the Netherlands, to circumvent royal censorship, and which I have identified. The bad thing is: most of the copies of that leaflet have not survived. Only two incomplete versions exist in two different European archives / library. It's a lot of effort just to answer a specific demand by my editor...
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Syt on April 10, 2026, 02:23:46 PMThis time would be between the battles of Hohenfriedberg and Soor.

From what I can glean from a very cursory glance/search in the Austrian newspapers for July/August 1745 it seems that Chur-Sächsische, not Chur-Pfälzische/-Mainzisch/-Bavarian units were in Silesia in July/August (funky, not always consistent spellings make the text search a bit hard, though :P ).

I was also going through the battles/documents that came with Wargame Design Studio's game about the war, but no luck there, either.

My uneducated layman's guess would be that the letter writer might have mixed up his Kurfürsten? Or confused Prinz Karl with Kurfürst Karl?

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Maladict

Quote from: Oexmelin on April 10, 2026, 02:43:45 PMIt was my own guess as well - I was wondering if, somehow, he mixed Saxons with Palatines.

The great thing is, the author mentions his source: an obscure leaflet published in the Netherlands, to circumvent royal censorship, and which I have identified. The bad thing is: most of the copies of that leaflet have not survived. Only two incomplete versions exist in two different European archives / library. It's a lot of effort just to answer a specific demand by my editor...

Is it a Dutch archive/library?