Bobby Kennedy Junior

[mongers]

You can buy raw milk in lots of European countries.

It's nothing to do with safety - it's industrial capture of regulators in America and MacDonaldisation and mass production of food is not "safer".

Oh my, so much misinformation, so little time to correct it.

Raw milk definitely has safety risks, namely food poisoning.  Pasteurization eliminates that risk. If a source of raw milk can be found where there is a high degree of confidence that the practices used to obtain, store and ship the milk has a low chance of being contaminated with salmonella, E. coli and listeria then of course the risk is reduced.

But have you ever actually been to a diary farm?  You do realize there is shit every where right? You would need to have a very high degree confidence the diary farmer has taken all necessary precautions.

Cheese from raw milk is a different matter - the risk there is much lower.

This was the public safety lesson learnt in the the early 20th century, I don't know why people think in the 21st century that a different one can be an outcome?

[Razgovory]

It is part of a larger revolt against elites.  All experts, including health officials and doctors are part of the elite class.  If not by wealth than by education.

[frunk]

In RFK's case I think there is a a vague suspicion that American food regulation isn't healthy - and 25 years ago I suspect every single person on this forum currently defending American food regulation as a good thing would have agreed that it's unhealthy and been on the side of Jose Bove. And they would have been right. I think we're negatively polarised away from that - a distasteful person who is wrong is talking about it so we oppose which I don't think is adequate.

I definitely wouldn't of agreed with you 25 years ago.  The conservative push towards deregulation had already started by then, and I was very skeptical of the benefits of that.  Every large organization can benefit from reform, but that's very different from advocating for its elimination on principle and we already had the start of that movement.

[crazy canuck]

You can buy raw milk in lots of European countries.

It's nothing to do with safety - it's industrial capture of regulators in America and MacDonaldisation and mass production of food is not "safer".

Oh my, so much misinformation, so little time to correct it.

Raw milk definitely has safety risks, namely food poisoning.  Pasteurization eliminates that risk. If a source of raw milk can be found where there is a high degree of confidence that the practices used to obtain, store and ship the milk has a low chance of being contaminated with salmonella, E. coli and listeria then of course the risk is reduced.

But have you ever actually been to a diary farm?  You do realize there is shit every where right? You would need to have a very high degree confidence the diary farmer has taken all necessary precautions.

Cheese from raw milk is a different matter - the risk there is much lower.

This was the public safety lesson learnt in the the early 20th century, I don't know why people think in the 21st century that a different one can be an outcome?

My pet theory is that a lot of people's knowledge extends only as far back as an Internet search will reach.

[Norgy]

Pasteurisation was probably the fundamental change that made dairy products more available even for kids in the city.

Milk from the cow, if you had one, had a shelf life of one to two days before pasteurisation.

The MAHA crowd seems to reject any idea of eating vegetables and firmly grasps "proteins" as what will make you ripped and healthy. Joe Rogan is one such person.

I think the health secretary may have confused raw milk with whole milk. But that is just a theory.
Most Europeans, I believe, look at the lax regulation of American food industries and nod at how the EU has banned this and that additive (even though allowing huge amounts of antibiotics in animal feed).

The fact of the matter that across continents, people eat a lot of affordable crap instead of healthy, and somewhat unaffordable foods. A good cut of a farmed salmon is around 30 to 38 Euro per kilo in Norway. And we produce this shit. A frozen ultra-processed pizza is 4 Euro. For 700 grams or so of flour, "cheese" and "ham" and some red stuff claiming to be tomato.

The label "ultra-processed" is somewhat problematic as well, as it applies to both Doritos and the method of making liver paste and some traditional sausages.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

You can buy raw milk in lots of European countries.

It's nothing to do with safety - it's industrial capture of regulators in America and MacDonaldisation and mass production of food is not "safer".

Oh my, so much misinformation, so little time to correct it.

Raw milk definitely has safety risks, namely food poisoning.  Pasteurization eliminates that risk. If a source of raw milk can be found where there is a high degree of confidence that the practices used to obtain, store and ship the milk has a low chance of being contaminated with salmonella, E. coli and listeria then of course the risk is reduced.

But have you ever actually been to a diary farm?  You do realize there is shit every where right? You would need to have a very high degree confidence the diary farmer has taken all necessary precautions.

Cheese from raw milk is a different matter - the risk there is much lower.

This was the public safety lesson learnt in the the early 20th century, I don't know why people think in the 21st century that a different one can be an outcome?

Because truth is dead, knowledge is suspect and we now have a tradition of idiots trying the same thing over and over and over in the hope results will be different this time round

[crazy canuck]

We have a whole generation or two of people who think doing their own "research" makes their ideas more valid than the people who do real research.

[Norgy]

We have a whole generation or two of people who think doing their own "research" makes their ideas more valid than the people who do real research.

Nah, man. This is our time.

To stand up, and say no, we believe a science-based approach to any issue is needed.

I believe in facts not the ones who run for office on hearsay and...

Oh. Right.

We lost, didn't we? Well, at least our forebrethren ended slavery.

THEY DID NOT? Norwegian evangelicals thought those blacks were half human? Jesus.
What next? That Norwegian immigrants were Republicans. That my great grandfather was.
Well. At least daddy's Labour Party was very much at the forefront of human rights. Right? RIGHT?

Oh. They believed themselves better than niggers and accepted apartheid. So...

Did we... do any good? Our leaders were cohorts of Jeffrey Epstein? Right.
Anything else?
We failed both Israel and the PLO?
Right.
But I think at least mrs. Brundtland did something good?
Oh, dear, she was in the pay of Pepsico like Nixon? Damn. We really know how to pick them.

What about her report on human condition?
"She could not care less". Right'o. And the environment? "Let us just agree on something inane like sustainable development".
Oh, dear.
So we lost?
Yeah, big time, mate. Want some carbs?