US - Greenland Crisis Thread

[Crazy_Ivan80]

He'll be in the history books allright,  as the idiot who squandered us hegemony

I was thinking which Roman emperor he resembled most in this respect, but I can't actually think of one that started from a position of relative strength and stability and then threw it all away like Trump has.

Nero ?

Mh, I don't think so.
The empire remained unchallenged as hegemon of the classical world.

[Maladict]

Nero ?

Roman hegemony in the ancient world was not diminished by Nero, or even the civil war that followed him.

Nero is problematic because of the source material. Even later Roman writers themselves admitted the sources were highly biased against Nero. But he may well have been unhinged like Trump.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Maybe the fool who lost the battle at Adrianopolis? Against invading germanics iirc somewhere in the 4th century? That one fucked up things real bad

[Legbiter]

He's a Caligula in the performative cruelty and sadism.

[Duque de Bragança]

Nero ?

Roman hegemony in the ancient world was not diminished by Nero, or even the civil war that followed him.

Nero is problematic because of the source material. Even later Roman writers themselves admitted the sources were highly biased against Nero. But he may well have been unhinged like Trump.

Nero grabbed Crimea or rather annexed the Roman client kingdom of Bosporum.
But the local elite did a better job at managing the relation with the steppe and regained autonomy.

So Commodus? Unhinged and really paved the way for the decline of Roman hegemony. Not into disastrous wars, though but bad peace deals.

P-S: edit timeouts fixed.

[Duque de Bragança]

Maybe the fool who lost the battle at Adrianopolis? Against invading germanics iirc somewhere in the 4th century? That one fucked up things real bad

Valens was mediocre, but not that bad. Adrianopolis is obviously on him, however.

[Norgy]

Oooh, Trump has sent our PM a note.

Dear Jonas: Since your country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for stopping 8 wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of peace, although it will always be dominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States

Then a rant about Denmark and some boats.

No amount of spin can hide how unfit this man is for office.
 

[Legbiter]

The Telegraph headline. 

[Norgy]

Alexander Stub and Jonas Gahr Støre replied in unison:

Dear Mr President, dear Donald - on the contact across the Atlantic - on Greenland, Gaza, Ukraine - and your tariff announcement yesterday. You know our position on these issues. But we believe we all should work to take this down and de-escalate - so much is happening around us where we need to stand together. We are proposing a call with you later today - with both of us or separately - give us a hint of what you prefer! Best - Alex and Jonas

[Maladict]

So he's invading Denmark as a retaliation for something Norway did?

That means we could get him to go to town on Belgium for shits and giggles. 

[Legbiter]

Seizing Greenland militarily on the cheap via taking the airport in Nuuk with 100 SOF or so while US cargo planes rapidly fly in reinforcements is off the table since the Allies have reinforced to counter exactly that. The hard way now would involve an entire carrier task force off of Greenland plus B-2 air attacks from the continental United States on Danish and Scandinavian command-and-control. Subs could fire off Tomahawks and start a campaign of guerre de course against Allied shipping. The only arctic troops the US has would be the 11th airborne division based in Alaska which is rumored to be deploying to....Minnesota.  But keep an eye on them all the same.

Hence the tariff tantrum and further threats. Next lever used is the Americans will escalate by stopping weapon shipments bought by us for Ukraine. Unless the EU punches back and punches hard the Americans will continue to up the ante.

[Norgy]

So he's invading Denmark as a retaliation for something Norway did?

That means we could get him to go to town on Belgium for shits and giggles. 

Thing is, he's likely to be very enamoured by Belgium's biggest crime (apart from being Belgium), the Congo Free State. "Beautiful name. Free state. I looked around and it was very free. So beautiful and free". So it might backfire. Then again, Germany is fairly safe given it had Hitler's generals.

[Threviel]

He'll be in the history books allright,  as the idiot who squandered us hegemony

I was thinking which Roman emperor he resembled most in this respect, but I can't actually think of one that started from a position of relative strength and stability and then threw it all away like Trump has.

The heirs to Basil II is the best description. The Empire was extremely powerful and had no real threats and they fixed that.

[Duque de Bragança]

Oooh, Trump has sent our PM a note.

Dear Jonas: Since your country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for stopping 8 wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of peace, although it will always be dominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States

Then a rant about Denmark and some boats.

No amount of spin can hide how unfit this man is for office.
 

Well, I guess it was a close call for Portugal. 
Sighting and mapping Greenland, a relevant part of it at least, by boat a few hundred years ago, fits to a tee.  Labrador, Scolvus and Pining and one hand,  on the other Corte Real brothers (sons of Labrador).