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Started by Jacob, February 16, 2025, 02:00:06 PM

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Syt

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Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Syt on Today at 11:06:50 AM

 :rolleyes:

Might be a good exercise to forbid the US from using European infrastructure,  nato infrastructure, for their smo.
To make the point that there is a lot of things the US takes for granted

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Quote from: Zanza on Today at 10:37:29 AMIn his worldview a weak dollar is an advantage somehow.

A weak dollar makes US exports less expensive and imports more expensive.  Which is a good thing because Americans will get less for what they send overseas and pay more for everything else. I mean because a weaker dollar will prompt the Fed to raise rates and get those pesky house prices down   I mean because weakening the dollar internationally will stop the imperialist Yankee pigdogs from bullying other nations.

I mean um . . . look at these nice curtains.  And how about this cool pen here.  Hey do you want to hear a completely made up story about this pen?  And also  - look here are some really cute pictures of my grandkids, sorry I mean my ballroom.
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Valmy

Quote from: Syt on Today at 11:06:50 AM

 :rolleyes:

It is a defensive alliance not a collection of battle thralls.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Syt on Today at 07:20:01 AMhttps://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116323481956698353

QuoteDonald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

All of those countries that can't get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you: Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT. You'll have to start learning how to fight for yourself, the U.S.A. won't be there to help you anymore, just like you weren't there for us. Iran has been, essentially, decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil! President DJT

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https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116323516183718262
QuoteDonald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

The Country of France wouldn't let planes headed to Israel, loaded up with military supplies, fly over French territory. France has been VERY UNHELPFUL with respect to the "Butcher of Iran," who has been successfully eliminated! The U.S.A. will REMEMBER!!! President DJT

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He probably mixed France up with Spain.  :P

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Valmy

Quote from: crazy canuck on Today at 02:55:22 PMSo now Trump is a Habsburg?

I don't know...Emperor Ferdinand was more mentally capable.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on Today at 02:01:19 PMHe probably mixed France up with Spain.  :P


nah, apparently France has prevented a number of overflights recently

Valmy

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on Today at 02:01:19 PMHe probably mixed France up with Spain.  :P


nah, apparently France has prevented a number of overflights recently

Good for them.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

viper37

France, Italy and Spain at least, have been firm in not letting the US use their territory to attack Iran or help Israel attack Iran.

The UK has let the US use their bases though.

I believe some countries are willing to cut a deal with Iran as soon as the US is pulling out of the area and I'm convinced there are backchannel negotiations going on already about future safe passage.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: viper37 on Today at 04:43:35 PMFrance, Italy and Spain at least, have been firm in not letting the US use their territory to attack Iran or help Israel attack Iran.

The UK has let the US use their bases though.
Germany too - Merz has changed but was vocally supportive at the start of this.

The UK position is tortuous, absurd and probably, in practical terms, nonsense. UK bases weren't allowed to be used in the initial attack (this is partly why Trump keeps going off about Starmer) because that would be in breach of international law.

Once Iran retaliated, including hitting UK allies such as the UAE, Qatar, Oman etc. The government allowed the US to use UK bases to launch "defensive" strikes as that's permitted under international law (defence of allies). I'm not really sure the degree to which "defensive" and "offensive" can be clearly delineated in this type of conflict. I also think it is, fundamentally, a political question calling for political judgement. But this is another example of Starmer outsourcing his judgement as if it's an international law exam question. (As it happens I think probably the right policy, for all the wrong reasons) :bleeding:

QuoteI believe some countries are willing to cut a deal with Iran as soon as the US is pulling out of the area and I'm convinced there are backchannel negotiations going on already about future safe passage.
Thailand, India, several Greek flagged tankers have gone through now. The going rate is apparently $2 million for passage through the Straits.

This is arguably a challenge for Europe in the post-war as I'd argue a Middle East with a powerful, ascendant Iran with a new income stream is not great for Europe - it's why Turkiye matters even if you find Erdogan distasteful.
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