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Started by Jacob, February 16, 2025, 02:00:06 PM

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Zanza

Maybe the Russian asset wants to use NATO countries not joining this folly as his narrative to leave NATO. But that would suggest some kind of plan.

HVC

More likely that a dementia addled septuagenarian doesn't know how NATO works.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

The Minsky Moment

Yeah we aren't seeing hubris here. Hubris is a tragic flaw.  This is a fantastic ignoramus taking the Dunning-Kruger effect to its most extreme point.  It is black comedy not tragedy.  Iannucci at his most biting couldn't dream up this crap.
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jimmy olsen

#813
Let's get some enjoyment out of this tragedy.

My score 14 nukes, 21k casulties.
https://nuke-canal.vercel.app/

Quote"Iran blocked the Strait. Very bad, very unfair. Gas is nine dollars. I called MBS - he's not picking up. I called Modi - "please hold." Nobody helps us. So I said to my generals, I said, 'what if we just nuked a canal through the UAE? Boom, boom, boom - new waterway.' They said 'sir, that's insane.' I said 'you're fired.' The new guy loves it. It's gonna be beautiful. Biggest canal ever built. We're gonna do it in an afternoon." - Presidential address ot the nation, 3 hours ago.

Objective: Carve a navigable waterway from the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Oman. Choose your ordnance wisely.

SecWar Memo: "For the love of God, try to avoid Dubai. And the airports. You know what, just try not to kill too many people."
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Syt

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 12:21:05 AMYeah we aren't seeing hubris here. Hubris is a tragic flaw.  This is a fantastic ignoramus taking the Dunning-Kruger effect to its most extreme point.  It is black comedy not tragedy.  Iannucci at his most biting couldn't dream up this crap.

Heard a comment the other day that Trump being ignorant is not a bug, it's a feature. He thinks it's beneath him to pay attention to or learn about anything or anyone. He expects people (and countries) to adapt to him.
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Richard Hakluyt

If only his bonespurs had not prevented this uber-patriot from participation in the Vietnam war  :lol:

He might have learned how a weaker power can still win a war.

Jacob

It'll be interesting how this NATO thing plays out.

Personally I don't have much appetite for supporting the US here, and I don't think the national moods of most NATO countries would reward politicians sending troops to fight Iran.

I'd expect mostly polite "sorry we'd love to, but it's just not possible" for the sake of diplomacy.

It's hard not seeing this being another giant step down the road to the dissolution of NATO, however. Trump was never going to support a NATO country being attacked anyhow, but if no one helps him with this idiotic war then it'll likely become explicit even sooner.

Is this moving some of the "we're not THAT motivated to build a strong European defense people a countries" a bit, I wonder?

The Brain

It is unclear why the mighty US, who has destroyed Iran and wages war mercilessly, would need any help. Those sculpted abs glisten with sweat after a hard shift firing off US ordnance inventory on low-value targets. The US is fine.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Crazy_Ivan80

Let the don clean up his own mess.

Richard Hakluyt

UK is considering sending mine-sweeping drones, I daresay Starmer also said a few soothing words in his recent phonecall with the orange baboon.

That is probably what NATO amounts to these days; I really hope European leaders are busy working out how to achieve strategic autonomy, we are very vulnerable at the moment.

Richard Hakluyt

Not sure how accurate this piece is https://news.sky.com/story/the-drones-the-uk-is-considering-deploying-to-the-middle-east-13519993#:~:text=The%20UK%20could%20deploy%20autonomous,earlier%20this%20week%3A%20%22Now%20I've but it does appear to be the case that the UK has worthwhile anti-mine systems. The RN might even be keen to try them out in a real life conflict.


frunk

NATO countries should decline due to the ongoing threat to Greenland from a foreign power.

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: frunk on Today at 06:03:11 AMNATO countries should decline due to the ongoing threat to Greenland from a foreign power.
Indeed

jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
--------------------------------------------
1 Karma Chameleon point

Syt





And just as a callback, this was THREE MONTHS AGO:

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/artc-i-brought-peace-to-the-middle-east-trump-boasts-achievements-in-white-house-address

Quote"I brought peace to the Middle East," Trump boasts achievements in White House address

"We are on the brink of an economic prosperity the world has never seen."

U.S. President Donald Trump delivered an address of approximately twenty minutes to the nation on Thursday evening, reviewing what he described as the key achievements of his administration as the first anniversary of his election approaches.

Speaking primarily to an American audience, Trump outlined upcoming policy measures and announced that he would soon appoint a new Federal Reserve chair who supports lowering interest rates.

The president addressed the war in Gaza in notably blunt terms, declaring: "I have ended eight wars in ten months, eliminated the Iranian nuclear threat, ended the war in Gaza, and, for the first time in 3,000 years, brought peace to the Middle East."

Trump went on to highlight what he portrayed as major domestic successes, saying: "Tonight, after eleven months, our border is secure, inflation has been stopped, wages have gone up, prices have gone down, our nation is strong, America is respected, and our country is back. We are on the brink of an economic prosperity the world has never seen."

He also sharply criticized previous administrations, stating: "For too long, the vast majority of good and honest Americans have been forced to watch corrupt politicians loot government institutions, exploit taxpayers, and dismantle the systems that make a civilized society possible. That era is over. We are putting America first."
We are born dying, but we are compelled to fancy our chances.
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