Quo Vadis, Democrats?

[Norgy]

I think most "industrial" and "post-industrial" states are in a race towards the bottom. By choice, really.

There is a very strong and politically charged upper strata throwing money at anti-immigration parties and nationalist parties. Which is rather contradictory to this class' interest, which has been and is free flow and free trade.

On the other hand, splitting working people into them and us is rather effective. The point being made is that it should be harder for people to move between borders and easier for money to move.

We live in a Hayekian dystopia. None of the promises of the St. Pelegrin Society have come true. And all the worst fears of those brave enough to oppose the Reagan/Thatcher/Hayek/Friedman agenda have become true as well.

We spend our time discussing which immigrant group is the worst, while we should and can confront those powers that make us do that.

End of.

[Razgovory]

The problem is that the radicalization isn't coming poor.  The DSA stalwarts aren't working class or poor.  They are mostly from the Middle Class or really upper-Middle Class.  And this is true for a lot of MAGA (though MAGA probably has more working class people in it, both as a percentage and in absolute terms.)  What these people do have in common is a fear of downward mobility.  For all the talk of solidarity about the working class, the these people don't want actually be the people waiting tables for minimum wage.

A lot of people would be fine with minimum wage if you could actually live off of it.

What, like the people here?  I doubt it.  Most of the people here are college graduates, and people go to college so they can receive high paying, high status jobs.  They don't go to college so they can make the same amount of money as a high school dropout mopping floors at a fast food restaurant.  

[Syt]

I think most "industrial" and "post-industrial" states are in a race towards the bottom. By choice, really.

There is a very strong and politically charged upper strata throwing money at anti-immigration parties and nationalist parties. Which is rather contradictory to this class' interest, which has been and is free flow and free trade.

On the other hand, splitting working people into them and us is rather effective. The point being made is that it should be harder for people to move between borders and easier for money to move.

We live in a Hayekian dystopia. None of the promises of the St. Pelegrin Society have come true. And all the worst fears of those brave enough to oppose the Reagan/Thatcher/Hayek/Friedman agenda have become true as well.

We spend our time discussing which immigrant group is the worst, while we should and can confront those powers that make us do that.

End of.

Amen.

[crazy canuck]

I think most "industrial" and "post-industrial" states are in a race towards the bottom. By choice, really.

There is a very strong and politically charged upper strata throwing money at anti-immigration parties and nationalist parties. Which is rather contradictory to this class' interest, which has been and is free flow and free trade.

On the other hand, splitting working people into them and us is rather effective. The point being made is that it should be harder for people to move between borders and easier for money to move.

We live in a Hayekian dystopia. None of the promises of the St. Pelegrin Society have come true. And all the worst fears of those brave enough to oppose the Reagan/Thatcher/Hayek/Friedman agenda have become true as well.

We spend our time discussing which immigrant group is the worst, while we should and can confront those powers that make us do that.

End of.

Amen.

Yeah, and the observation that Reagan's policies were creating a race to the bottom was largely dismissed at the time, but has proven to be accurate.