Boycott

[Jacob]

Doing all the easy things.

The more difficult thing is trying to figure out how to extract our family from Silicon Valley tech dependence (and would appreciate any advice as well).

Looking at de-googling, switching to proton mail instead of gmail.

Would love to figure out a phone solution that was less exposed to both American and Chinese data harvesting.

If there was a way to get my kids' school to stop using whatsapp groups that would be great, but that's probably a hard battle (and I'm not sure what the alternative is).

I'm not ready to give up XBox gamepass and Steam yet. We're having conversations about Netflix in the family, but they are - as of yet - inconclusive.

[mongers]

I don't think boycotting all American products is such a good idea, different if it were like Apartheid SA in the 1980s where the morale case for avoiding a racist state seemed clear-cut, but a wide ranging a boycott can be used as propaganda by the Trump 'Administration'/'Regime'.

It's best for people to do what they feel comfortable with and without major family ructions, especially given the cultural dominance American and it's products have on younger people especially.


 

[Josquius]

I've got a Proton mail address, the trouble with it is though that Google is just so normalised that Proton sets off a lot of alarm bells with people and often hits spam filters

I've heard proton has a good drive equivalent too.

I've dabbled with switching away from Google search in the past but the alternatives I've tried just aren't as good.

[mongers]

I still have my Prime subscription and card, but will probably cancel soon. I've found ebay and Target to generally be a better option.

Yes, it does make sense based on the cost of items, ebay also seems cheaper with same seller vs them on Amazon and they're probably paying small fees as well.

Plus trying to search for a product sold by Amazon itself is a nightmare, as all of that $30 billions worth of advertising revenue, just wrecks one's searches.

[Jacob]

I don't think boycotting all American products is such a good idea, different if it were like Apartheid SA in the 1980s where the morale case for avoiding a racist state seemed clear-cut, but a wide ranging a boycott can be used as propaganda by the Trump 'Administration'/'Regime'.

It's best for people to do what they feel comfortable with and without major family ructions, especially given the cultural dominance American and it's products have on younger people especially.

I think "as much as you reasonable can, given your circumstances" is a good target, and aiming at more destructive American companies is worthwhile.

From my perspective, the primary targets are big red state companies, especially ones aligned with the Trumpists (fairly easy, I think); and the big companies and VCs  that have both bankrolled the Trumpists and who are facilitating his propaganda via big data and social media (much much harder).

[mongers]

I don't think boycotting all American products is such a good idea, different if it were like Apartheid SA in the 1980s where the morale case for avoiding a racist state seemed clear-cut, but a wide ranging a boycott can be used as propaganda by the Trump 'Administration'/'Regime'.

It's best for people to do what they feel comfortable with and without major family ructions, especially given the cultural dominance American and it's products have on younger people especially.

I think "as much as you reasonable can, given your circumstances" is a good target, and aiming at more destructive American companies is worthwhile.

From my perspective, the primary targets are big red state companies, especially ones aligned with the Trumpists (fairly easy, I think); and the big companies and VCs  that have both bankrolled the Trumpists and who are facilitating his propaganda via big data and social media (much much harder).

Yes that seems reasonable>

It also depends on lifestyle and consumer habits, and for someone like me who isn't into brand there's not muck left to cut out.

I don't really use google, other than a couple of legacy email accounts that sometimes get check and somewhere an android phone, that doesn't get turned on more than handful of times a month.

Microsoft/Bing seems a better option, as they've generally being keeping Trump at more of a distance as compare to the Techbros, perhaps lingering influence of Gates, who after all is a target of trumpists.

I suggest a lot of you here keep going with Steam, as is it really that 'bad' a company?
 

[Neil]

different if it were like Apartheid SA in the 1980s where the morale case for avoiding a racist state seemed clear-cut

At least South Africa was anti-communist.  There's nothing good to say about the United States right now. 

I'm annoyed.  I preferred to buy domestic cars, but obviously that's impossible now.  I guess I'll have to go Japanese, since Europeans can't make a good, reliable small SUV. 

[mongers]

different if it were like Apartheid SA in the 1980s where the morale case for avoiding a racist state seemed clear-cut

At least South Africa was anti-communist.  There's nothing good to say about the United States right now. 

I'm annoyed.  I preferred to buy domestic cars, but obviously that's impossible now.  I guess I'll have to go Japanese, since Europeans can't make a good, reliable small SUV. 

 

Yeah, what exactly happened to the ant- communists in the republican party?


Neil, can't help you one the car front, but have you considered getting a bike? 

[Neil]

 

[Zoupa]

I've been boycotting America before it became cool.

Not really, but I try to avoid any US-based service stuff. So Amazon, Netflix, Paypal etc.

[Tonitrus]

Yeah, what exactly happened to the ant- communists in the republican party?

Emigrated to Brest-Litovsk.

[Razgovory]

So when the rest of NATO stops supporting Ukraine, who will we boycott?

[Zoupa]

The rest of NATO won't. We're one election cycle away from our own Trumps, but so far, apart from Hungary and Slovakia, we've successfully resisted the Kremlin's disinfo campaigns.

Look to your own house.

[Syt]

I guess this should go here? Not sure how much of an impact (if any) this has.

[The Brain]

It will be interesting to see which companies take real action (stop doing business, at least partially), symbolic action (taking down US flags or putting up anti-US signs), or no action against the US.

Ericsson and Spotify have donated money to Trump, so their position is very clear.