Greedy Billionaires Not Named Elon Megathread

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Josquius

December 10, 2024, 04:46:51 PM Last Edit: December 12, 2024, 11:54:28 AM by Baron von Schtinkenbutt
So... There's this big story in the US of a crazy guy shooting a insurance company ceo.

Apparently a big take today is that this guy was part of a game club at University and played a game where he pretended to be an assassin and this is how he came to be a killer.

Among us.
He played among us.
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garbon

#1
December 10, 2024, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: Josquius on December 10, 2024, 04:46:51 PMSo... There's this big story in the US of a crazy guy shooting a insurance company ceo.

Apparently a big take today is that this guy was part of a game club at University and played a game where he pretended to be an assassin and this is how he came to be a killer.

Among us.
He played among us.


Main coverage I saw today was thirsty people oogling him.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

HVC

#2
December 10, 2024, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: Josquius on December 10, 2024, 04:46:51 PMSo... There's this big story in the US of a crazy guy shooting a insurance company ceo.

Apparently a big take today is that this guy was part of a game club at University and played a game where he pretended to be an assassin and this is how he came to be a killer.

Among us.
He played among us.


He's turning into the folk hero of our time.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Sheilbh

#3
December 10, 2024, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 10, 2024, 05:04:34 PMMain coverage I saw today was thirsty people oogling him.
:lol: Same.
Let's bomb Russia!

Syt

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December 11, 2024, 01:43:33 AM Last Edit: December 11, 2024, 02:35:17 AM by Syt
Quote from: garbon on December 10, 2024, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: Josquius on December 10, 2024, 04:46:51 PMSo... There's this big story in the US of a crazy guy shooting a insurance company ceo.

Apparently a big take today is that this guy was part of a game club at University and played a game where he pretended to be an assassin and this is how he came to be a killer.

Among us.
He played among us.


Main coverage I saw today was thirsty people oogling him.

And a lot of lack of sympathy for the victim, which, given how his insurance handles business (and generally the insurance system in the US which causes people to die, bankrupt etc.) is not really surprising - at least from my admittedly outside perspective.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
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Razgovory

#5
December 11, 2024, 02:08:30 AM
Well, when you lose your house because a family member had a catastrophic illness, you can understand why people don't like insurance guys.  You know, like me.
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Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Syt

#6
December 11, 2024, 03:29:12 AM
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto

QuoteI've obtained a copy of suspected killer Luigi Mangione's manifesto — the real one, not the forgery circulating online. Major media outlets are also in possession of the document but have refused to publish it and not even articulated a reason why. My queries to The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN and NBC to explain their rationale for withholding the manifesto, while gladly quoting from it selectively, have not been answered.

I'll have more to say on this later — on how unhealthy the media's drift away from public disclosure is — but for now, here's the manifesto:

Quote"To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."

Unsure if reliable/authentic.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Josquius

#7
December 11, 2024, 04:22:13 AM
From what I've seen of the killers  views - lots of social media screen grabs flying about - it does seem to have been a big leopards ate my face sequence of events for him.
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garbon

#8
December 11, 2024, 05:00:24 AM
Who is Ken Klippenstein?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Syt

#9
December 11, 2024, 05:01:24 AM
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

garbon

#10
December 11, 2024, 06:38:25 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 11, 2024, 05:01:24 AMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein

So a person who has a wikipedia article with a section dedicated to online pranks? :P
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

DGuller

#11
December 11, 2024, 10:14:19 AM
This widespread approval of vigilante murder is really disturbing me.  I'm not saying that health insurance industry is a nice one, or that UHC is the comparatively nice player in that nice industry, but reality is always a lot more complex. 

Yes, one side of that business is denial of claims, but another side of that business is providers trying to get as much money out of insurance company as they can.  In my family's experience, more than once we went "how did insurance company agree to pay for this, and pay so much".  If insurance companies approved every claim, then the astronomical cost of health insurance would become even more astronomical.  Sure, obviously you want to deny the bogus claims and approve the legitimate claims, but that's like saying that police needs to catch the bad guys and keep the good guys free.  Easy to state as a principle, much harder to act on when it's your job.

The reality is, the system is utterly broken, and all the players in that systems are forced to play this macabre game.  As a provider, you have to shoot for the moon, and as the insurance company, you have to push back.  The fault lies with those who fight to maintain this clusterfuck.  The only thing I can say for sure is, if you read an article that says that the company deployed an AI model with a 90% error rate, you should assume that whoever published that article has no interest in reporting anything resembling the truth.

HVC

#12
December 11, 2024, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: DGuller on December 11, 2024, 10:14:19 AMThe fault lies with those who fight to maintain this clusterfuck.

So insurance companies and their lobbyists? :unsure:
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Josquius

#13
December 11, 2024, 10:17:48 AM
Yes. That's where my sympathy for the ceo would plummet. If it comes out he has been actively fighting to keep the broken system and clearly valuing continued profits over human suffering.
Which I have to say does sound a bit likely... But still, murder is a bit wrong innit.
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