Quo Vadis, Democrats?

[Sophie Scholl]

I mean, Jeffries and Schumer are doing politics, just not good politics or politics that actually benefit their constituents, the country, or the world. They're still playing and preaching the value of Pong in a world that plays and needs Fortnite concepts.

[Valmy]

Schumer at least has the excuse of being old. I don't know what Jeffries' deal is. He is generation X.

[HVC]

Schumer at least has the excuse of being old. I don't know what Jeffries' deal is. He is generation X.

Wow, he's 54. While not that old, he looks younger. I guess they really don't crack.

My personal crackpot theory is that they're not out there because they have nothing to say. Their patrons are making money off this shit same as the conservatives. Rich always come out better after a recession.

[Valmy]

My personal crackpot theory is that they're not out there because they have nothing to say.

Yeah needless to say I have all kinds of sinister conspiracy reasons why they are doing what they are doing   

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Schumer at least has the excuse of being old. I don't know what Jeffries' deal is. He is generation X.

Wow, he's 54. While not that old, he looks younger. I guess they really don't crack.

My personal crackpot theory is that they're not out there because they have nothing to say. Their patrons are making money off this shit same as the conservatives. Rich always come out better after a recession.

We have a winner...

[grumbler]

No, I think Oex is right.  We need to go all in on extremism.  I think our next thing is go with the "Land Back" campaign.  Try to turn over all land in the United States to it's original owners, the native Americans.  Take property from 99% of the population and give it too 2% of the population.  That will really help turn out with the far-left.

Nobody on the left is saying this. What a bunch of garbage.

(snip)

The goal of the Land Back movement (which is global, not North American) according to those who espouse it, is to force governments to honor their treaties with the natives. That would require the return of relatively small amounts of land or compensation for its loss.  Seeking to enforce treaty (property) rights does not strike me as an extreme leftwing proposition, nor does it seem to justify embracing a Big Lie with the enthusiasm Raz has for it.

[Norgy]

Is there even a "left" left? No pun intended. During my 50 plus years on this planet, politics have definitely moved right with the Washington consensus and the end of the Cold War. The left is not the left, it is a disunited bunch of intellectuals assuming to be some sort of Leninist cadre or popular movements popping up and disintegrating quickly and Quixotically.

The right has become centrist and the fringe has become the right. There is nothing conservative about Trump and the GOP now, it is radical and destructive.

So what are the Democrats now? From my point of view, there is very little left of enthusiastic support for, well, anyone. No leaders emerging. Newsom is possible, but seems a bit of a cunt, really. Sanders is the same age as Lenin and Hitler, Biden is a robot, Harris lost an election, and Walz, well, he is Walz.

[Valmy]

So what are the Democrats now? From my point of view, there is very little left of enthusiastic support for, well, anyone. No leaders emerging. Newsom is possible, but seems a bit of a cunt, really. Sanders is the same age as Lenin and Hitler, Biden is a robot, Harris lost an election, and Walz, well, he is Walz.

They are in a transition period. Which is why it is so important they get out there and do politics. New leaders will emerge organically. Even in their current zombiefied state, the Republicans are just barely beating them.

When you are just sitting around, hard for leadership to take place.

[Norgy]

Mondale 2028!

[Valmy]

Mondale 2028!

Mondale would cruise to victory these days.

[HVC]

What's Chelsea up to?

[Valmy]

What's Chelsea up to?

What? Oh no.

We need to change the name of the Democratic Party to the Ancient Secret Order of No Clintons.

[The Minsky Moment]

The goal of the Land Back movement (which is global, not North American) according to those who espouse it, is to force governments to honor their treaties with the natives. That would require the return of relatively small amounts of land or compensation for its loss. 

Based on that description, the most prominent individual in American politics espousing that view is Justice Gorsuch, who authored the opinion on McGirt v. Oklahoma holding that much of the State of Oklahoma remains Indian Country.

[HVC]

What's Chelsea up to?

What? Oh no.

We need to change the name of the Democratic Party to the Ancient Secret Order of No Clintons.

Aren't they still movers and shakers? Might as well put them up front and get it over with

[Valmy]

Aren't they still movers and shakers? Might as well put them up front and get it over with

If they are, they are definitely an éminence grise because you don't hear from them much.

Hell even Obama seems to rarely show up. I have no idea why he isn't used more.