New Paradox Tinto Game? EU5?

[Syt]

Johan also said on the forums that the goal is that the game is at release as rich in features and content as EU4 is with all its expansions. 

Most of the recent expansions were just mission trees, events and graphics assets. Maybe they have a way to migrate that content to the new game with little effort?

He said he doesn't like the EU4 mission trees and that they will handle that kind of thing differently.

[Syt]

Johan also said on the forums that the goal is that the game is at release as rich in features and content as EU4 is with all its expansions. 

I do get vibes of Magna Mundi when I read through that forum and his posts. All like it will solve all the problems that have been baked into the series over time.

It feels like he's trying to make "the ultimate map game" - which, I guess, is fair enough. But maybe also have a look at stuff that can be *removed*

[Josephus]

I guess there's no "pick your own start date" either.

[Zanza]

Johan also said on the forums that the goal is that the game is at release as rich in features and content as EU4 is with all its expansions. 

I do get vibes of Magna Mundi when I read through that forum and his posts. All like it will solve all the problems that have been baked into the series over time.

Same. Enlarging the scope in every dimension will be tough to deliver.

[Josquius]

Johan also said on the forums that the goal is that the game is at release as rich in features and content as EU4 is with all its expansions. 

Are they stepping away from the continuous income flow DLC overload model?

I guess there's no "pick your own start date" either.

Why?
Surely that shouldn't be too hard to code? Its basically a save with the world as it actually was at points in history no?

[garbon]

I guess there's no "pick your own start date" either.

Why?
Surely that shouldn't be too hard to code? Its basically a save with the world as it actually was at points in history no?

They moved away from that in games as it was a lot of work for limited gain (aka most people went to earliest start).

[Tamas]

Have we considered one thing? Since this is a Tinto project, maybe it is considered a bit of a quirky hardcore project like Victoria 3 and it is not meant to become the next flagship game of Paradox.

[Syt]

Well, Johan is certainly not one to design for mass market appeal.

Though I guess it's true that EU is no longer the flagship? Replaced by CK, HOI, Stellaris, all of which are a bit more approachable, I guess (maybe not HOI)?

[Zanza]

Going by the peak of the last 24h, EU4 has 23k players, CK3 has 28k, Stellaris 21k, HoI4 has 65k, Victoria 3 has 11k players. Paradox considers the first four evergreens with continuous revenue potential. I am a bit surprised that Stellaris isn't higher to be honest.

[Josephus]

Going by the peak of the last 24h, EU4 has 23k players, CK3 has 28k, Stellaris 21k, HoI4 has 65k, Victoria 3 has 11k players. Paradox considers the first four evergreens with continuous revenue potential. I am a bit surprised that Stellaris isn't higher to be honest.

where do you find this info?

What's surprising with EU4 is that we are , despite the DLCs, talking about a 10 year old game. That' s quite impressive.

[Solmyr]

Stellaris is getting fairly old too, about to turn 8 years. HoI4 is also the same age, though I guess there are enough tankies/wehraboos to keep the player numbers up?

[Zanza]

Going by the peak of the last 24h, EU4 has 23k players, CK3 has 28k, Stellaris 21k, HoI4 has 65k, Victoria 3 has 11k players. Paradox considers the first four evergreens with continuous revenue potential. I am a bit surprised that Stellaris isn't higher to be honest.

where do you find this info?

What's surprising with EU4 is that we are , despite the DLCs, talking about a 10 year old game. That' s quite impressive.

My figures were from steamdb.info.

[crazy canuck]

Johan also said on the forums that the goal is that the game is at release as rich in features and content as EU4 is with all its expansions. 

Are they stepping away from the continuous income flow DLC overload model?

I guess there's no "pick your own start date" either.

Why?
Surely that shouldn't be too hard to code? Its basically a save with the world as it actually was at points in history no?

It is actually a lot of work to ensure some form of historical start for each possible date.  That is why they are abandoning it.

[Zanza]

They should at least allow modders to define a different start date. That's work that modders can do very well.

[Syt]

I hope it won't be just another map painter and attempt to focus more on the simulation aspect, but I doubt that's the audience these days.