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Started by Darth Wagtaros, February 12, 2024, 08:41:59 AM

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Admiral Yi

Most epic siege of all time, Malta or Constantinople?

Josephus

Historically Constantinople of course. For one thing the Ottos won that one, and it had quite the historical significance, not the least of which a good starting point for historical strategy games.

I read a good book last year on the siege of Malta though and it was really quite a blood fest. The Ottos almost had that won, but the valiant knights really held on against all odds, in that fort full of rotting bodies. (the Maltese people were also pretty valiant in that and were recruited in a final counter attack). Although not as well known, the Knights' victory was historically important, marking the last attempt for the Ottos to dominate the Mediterranean and allowed the Crusaders to continue harassing the Otto shipping lanes.

If the Ottos did win that, there's a good chance I'd be worshipping Mohammed today.
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Incidentally that was a cool travel experience. Climbing on the walls of Constantinople. Really unguarded and open for all- I found a homeless guy living in a guard post. Great views from the top.
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2024, 06:05:33 PMMost epic siege of all time, Malta or Constantinople?

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So many epic Siege moments over the years. :)
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Not quite certain I want to pay to see the remains of the set though.

I saw Popeye at the theatre - so I must have been 5 or so.

At the end of the movie the villain (Bluto, right?) is swimming away.  He's wearing like a yellow rain coat or something.

5 year old me was "why did he suddenly change clothes?".  I think it was explained to me that it was because he had turned "yellow" - that is he was afraid.

5 year old me thought that was stupid.
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Quote from: The Brain on February 15, 2024, 07:40:55 AMSo many epic Siege moments over the years. :)
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Yeah. I think an island siege is always more dramatic than land and Constantinople was just put out of its misery - relentless inevitability. I'm not sure the siege actually matters because it feels pretty certain there would have been another one, it would have fallen eventually. Malta is more of a high watermark.

Even the WW2 Siege of Malta has drama with planes, searchlights, subs, convoys etc across huge swathes of the Mediterranean - plus the siege ends and the convoys start to get through on the nativity of Mary which is, I believe, a huge feast day in Malta anyway.
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So it sounds like there's broad consensus that you should go to the Popeye Village.
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Quote from: Sheilbh on February 15, 2024, 09:51:21 AMYeah. I think an island siege is always more dramatic than land and Constantinople was just put out of its misery - relentless inevitability. I'm not sure the siege actually matters because it feels pretty certain there would have been another one, it would have fallen eventually. Malta is more of a high watermark.

Even the WW2 Siege of Malta has drama with planes, searchlights, subs, convoys etc across huge swathes of the Mediterranean - plus the siege ends and the convoys start to get through on the nativity of Mary which is, I believe, a huge feast day in Malta anyway.

Oh I thought we were talking about the Ottoman Siege of Malta.

And I would choose the Arab siege of Constantinople just because of the image of Greek Fire burning the Arab fleet in sight of the palace of Leo III.
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Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2024, 02:25:57 PMAnd I would choose the Arab siege of Constantinople just because of the image of Greek Fire burning the Arab fleet in sight of the palace of Leo III.

Yeah, the 717 siege of Constantinople was both the most dramatic and most consequential siege I know of.  The 1452 siege was just the fall of the last tattered remnants of the Byzantine Empire.  The 717 siege allowed the city to last another 700 years.
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Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 15, 2024, 07:57:41 AMWhatever happened to Siegebreaker?

Count de Money tempbanned him and then noticed like four months later that he had forgotten to unban him.

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Quote from: Caliga on February 12, 2024, 06:59:27 PMPopeye's Village :showoff:
One of the most WTF tourist attractions ever.

A good match for the movie that was shot there.  :P

They even shot an Ator / Iron Warrior movie as well, so the sets would not go to waste.  :lol:

WTF - that was such a bad movie.

It's not like how I can understand why the Hobbit village in New Zealand is a popular tourist destination.

Popeye or Ator / Iron Warrior?  :P Both, most likely.  :D

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Quote from: The Brain on February 15, 2024, 07:40:55 AMSo many epic Siege moments over the years. :)
I've seen more movies about the Alamo than about Constantinople or Malta.  It must have been one epic battle. :P
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