Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Admiral Yi]

The PRC is fascist. There's nothing left wing about it's current nationalist lunacy, corporatist  economic setup, and shitting all over it's own constitution with minority rights.

Clearly non literal (tm)

[Josquius]

Few rightwingers openly support Hitler yet we don't want to take away his rightwing credentials.

Seriously? I see "Hitler was a socialist" arguments all the time.

But youre mixing up the two points there.
Stalin wasn't left wing on his own merits.
Few leftists are fond of him - he's a crap example even if we take as read he's left wing

That's completely the opposite. I'm the one saying the world doesn't work so simply.

Who are the good right-wingers?

The dead ones.
Is that a suitably Raz quality answer for you?

No. That's a fucking stupid question. There's plenty of decent right of centre people in the world.

[Jacob]

I mean I know this will likely be a long-winded, controversial mess (so perfect for languish perhaps) - but what are the characteristics if being left wing and of being right wing?

[DGuller]

Few rightwingers openly support Hitler yet we don't want to take away his rightwing credentials.

To be fair, there are quire a few "Nazis were socialists, it said so right in their name, Nazis would never lie about who they were".

[The Minsky Moment]

Left-wing politics is about equality and egalitarianism.

That's an argument for the present PRC regime being NOT left-wing; the Gini coefficient has risen very fast under the regime.

I agree with those who question the leftist status of the post-Dengist Chinese Communist Party.  I don't think it fits any longer in a western left-right scheme.

[DGuller]

I mean I know this will likely be a long-winded, controversial mess (so perfect for languish perhaps) - but what are the characteristics if being left wing and of being right wing?

Left wing slaughters ideological minorities, right wing slaughters ethnic minorities.  It's a bit of an over-generalization, of course, once you have a machine in place to do the slaughtering, you may as well go off on a tangent and slaughter a few people here and there for reasons other than the ones that define you.

[Razgovory]

The dead ones.
Is that a suitably Raz quality answer for you?

No. That's a fucking stupid question. There's plenty of decent right of centre people in the world.

Right of center... so how about far-right?

[Josquius]

The dead ones.
Is that a suitably Raz quality answer for you?

No. That's a fucking stupid question. There's plenty of decent right of centre people in the world.

Right of center... so how about far-right?

Do tell.

[Tamas]

There is a very basic and true classification of far left and far right.

Far right uses the excuse of racial/cultural superiority to be cruel and oppressive to others. The left uses the excuse of economic justice to do the same.

It is pointless to go beyond that because at the end of the day these ideologies are both made for and more importantly by people who consciously or otherwise are looking 6obd3t the status quo on fire for their own benefit.

[Razgovory]

The dead ones.
Is that a suitably Raz quality answer for you?

No. That's a fucking stupid question. There's plenty of decent right of centre people in the world.

Right of center... so how about far-right?

Do tell.

What right wing policies do you agree with?

[Josquius]

The dead ones.
Is that a suitably Raz quality answer for you?

No. That's a fucking stupid question. There's plenty of decent right of centre people in the world.

Right of center... so how about far-right?

Do tell.

What right wing policies do you agree with?

Why the constant weird off topic questions?

[Tamas]

The dead ones.
Is that a suitably Raz quality answer for you?

No. That's a fucking stupid question. There's plenty of decent right of centre people in the world.

Right of center... so how about far-right?

Do tell.

What right wing policies do you agree with?

Why the constant weird off topic questions?

You refuse to acknowledge the worst far left leaders as far left but you also refused that you operate on a left can't be evil basis. So Raz figured there must be far right leaders you don't consider evil.

[The Minsky Moment]

I think we get the point here - it's a No True Scotsman fallacy.

We see this quite a bit on the right here in the US, with right-wingers insisting that any bad things done by a right-wing regime don't count because they were really leftist (e.g. the Hitler was a socialist argument). Josq is just doing the same on the Left, because the Left is the good guys, if they appear to be doing something bad, it's because they aren't really leftist or they've become corrupted and betrayed the faith, etc.

[Josquius]

For fucks sake there's some people being seriously dense here.
I'm not the one saying left good, right bad.
The entire fucking point is so mindnumbingly simple.
Theres a long history of national liberation nationalist groups that lean left and have western left wing support.
However these groups are a very different thing to nationalist groups in established nations which are generally seen as enemy number one by the left.

It's thus perfectly consistent that the left has sympathies for Fatah and their desire for Palestinian recognition whilst at the same time condemning the ultra zionists and their quest to conquer Palestine.

The dead ones.
Is that a suitably Raz quality answer for you?

No. That's a fucking stupid question. There's plenty of decent right of centre people in the world.

Right of center... so how about far-right?

Do tell.

What right wing policies do you agree with?

Why the constant weird off topic questions?

You refuse to acknowledge the worst far left leaders as far left but you also refused that you operate on a left can't be evil basis. So Raz figured there must be far right leaders you don't consider evil.

Lenin? Mao?

[OttoVonBismarck]

You guys are genuinely imbeciles if you don't think Stalin was as major Marxist of the 20th century.

He literally formalized Marxism-Leninism, the idea of the permanent revolution, and the structure of Soviet governance, elements of which persisted until its dissolution. No one is saying he was an academic philosopher (neither was Lenin), but the idea he wasn't a major Marxist thinker of the 20th century is insane.