2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[Valmy]

The fact Biden keeps popping his head up during this election is hard to understand.

Has he? This is the first time I have heard him say anything about the election. He has been a bit busy with all the hurricanes.

[Valmy]

But they are garbage.

Well yeah but truth has no place in politics.

[crazy canuck]

The fact Biden keeps popping his head up during this election is hard to understand.

Has he? This is the first time I have heard him say anything about the election. He has been a bit busy with all the hurricanes.

Yes, in fact he also made comments about what the Trump team was saying about the hurricanes. His comments were correct, but he has to realize he was and continues to be the main target for the Trumpists.  Just keep your head down Joe.

[crazy canuck]

But they are garbage.

Well yeah but truth has no place in politics.

What part of the "they" are both of you thinking about when endorsing that sort of comment?

[garbon]

By all means, let's amplify Biden's sentence, and the possibility it may be twisted by people who have no qualms glossing over Trump's many direct fascist sentences.

Are you addressing that at the media? I'm not sure languish.org could ever amplify anything.

[garbon]

But they are garbage.

Well yeah but truth has no place in politics.

What part of the "they" are both of you thinking about when endorsing that sort of comment?

Presumably Trump supporters.

[Valmy]

But they are garbage.

Well yeah but truth has no place in politics.

What part of the "they" are both of you thinking about when endorsing that sort of comment?

Trump supporters.

But I was joking, just to be clear.

[Admiral Yi]

I was listening to NPR this morning, and they continued to have coverage on Hinchcliffe's monologue at Madison Square Gardens.  I was amused that every NPR broadcaster, no matter how terminally anglo, tries to adopt a patois when pronouncing the word "Latino."  I'll bet the roll their r's when ordering burrito bowls from Chipotle.

On the upside, that means they've ditched Latinx.

[The Minsky Moment]

Latino sounds like a reasonably priced but well-made compact car from a Japanese or Korean manufacturer. I.e. "the Nissan Latino won the JD Power award for initial quality in the compact class for the 2024 model year"

Latinx sounds like slang for a social disease.  I.e. "stay away from Robin, he/she's got the latinx"

[Admiral Yi]

By all means, let's amplify Biden's sentence, and the possibility it may be twisted by people who have no qualms glossing over Trump's many direct fascist sentences.

I don't want to be only as bad as intellectually dishonest Trump supporters.  I want to be better.  Part of that is not pretending that unpleasant facts don't exist.

[Barrister]

By all means, let's amplify Biden's sentence, and the possibility it may be twisted by people who have no qualms glossing over Trump's many direct fascist sentences.

I don't want to be only as bad as intellectually dishonest Trump supporters.  I want to be better.  Part of that is not pretending that unpleasant facts don't exist.

This came up during the debate over Biden's age.  That is was harmful to the campaign to talk about.

In the end though - talking about his age is what caused him to drop out, which gave the Dems Harris, who has a much better shot at winning.

This current debate, when fully explained, makes it clear it's hard to tell exactly what the heck Biden was trying to say.  And I think that's okay - he's not the candidate, and he's really old.

But if you just try to shut down debate - then you're only left with the Trumpists saying "he called Trump voters garbage!".

[Admiral Yi]

This came up during the debate over Biden's age.  That is was harmful to the campaign to talk about.

In the end though - talking about his age is what caused him to drop out, which gave the Dems Harris, who has a much better shot at winning.

This current debate, when fully explained, makes it clear it's hard to tell exactly what the heck Biden was trying to say.  And I think that's okay - he's not the candidate, and he's really old.

But if you just try to shut down debate - then you're only left with the Trumpists saying "he called Trump voters garbage!".

If someone tried to make the case that by keeping quiet about Joe's gaffe we would somehow increase the chances of Kamala winning, I would be willing to listen.  But I don't see that could possibly work.

I've given a little bit of thought to the question what advantages arise by suppressing and/or ignoring unpleasant information about my side, and all I've been able to come up with is "solidarity" and signalling membership in the in group.  Neither of which interest me very much.

[Josquius]

Bidens speaking skills suck. They always have by the standards of someone in his position but in recent years they've plummeted. He trips over his own tongue and stammers a tonne.
It's pretty obvious that's what happened here. The full transcript shows it wasn't a gaffe, it was a pretty sensible thing to say, but delivered in a garbled way.
It is pretty interesting though how fast the media has managed to move on from the Puerto Rico is trash comment, which before they were saying was a moment that could kill things for trump, and onto Bidens comment about the guy who delivered it.

[Razgovory]

Incendiaries used the attack Ballot boxes in Oregon and Washington had the words "Free Palestine" and "Free Gaza" written on them.  Our antizionist friends are so helpful.  I'm glad they're on our side.  Aren't you guys glad they are helping us by lighting our ballots on fire?

[Admiral Yi]

@Squeeze

If you have something you want to say about the PR comment, go ahead.

Until they come out with some polls measuring the impact of the joke on voters, I don't see what else there is to say.  Or learn.