2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[Sheilbh]

I raised because of the context. Current narrative is Biden is the too old one of the two and anything that can be pegged as examples of him being senile is attributed to that.

A ridiculous narrative that it would be great to see the Democrats due more to combat or pivot from.

Yeah I'm not sure. It's really tough to fight the narrative that Biden is too old because he is very old. I'm not sure "Biden's always misspoke" is necessarily a helpful line either.

If you try and pivot it to attack Trump for being old or more senile - I feel like you are still just drawing attention to age and that's an issue where it's more of a risk/perception issue around Biden.

In a way I wonder if the best strategy would be to get him out at events speaking, working the crowd, engaging with people (which is what Biden does best). Without going into Jack Palance territory you try to project an image of Biden being out there, engaged, active etc.

My feeling has always been that the attack line you want is what the other side don't want to talk about and even trying to make it a comparison, you're fighting on the GOP's terrain. I've said it for a long time but I still think the line of attack with Trump is that he's weak and a loser (I think this is why Biden keeps emphasising "former" President) - and I think from the Dem side maybe not talking about age.

[Barrister]

https://www.datawrapper.de/_/9ZJtn/?utm_source=NBC&utm_medium=iframely

Poll noting by far 81 sends people into panic vs the 77 year old.

I think this just reflects what we've long-known: Donald Trump has a devoted, almost fanatical base of support of between 25-30% of voters, while Biden does not.

Because again, I think and neutral viewer would tend to agree that while Biden has lost a step, Trump comes across as unhinged.

[Barrister]

I raised because of the context. Current narrative is Biden is the too old one of the two and anything that can be pegged as examples of him being senile is attributed to that.

A ridiculous narrative that it would be great to see the Democrats due more to combat or pivot from.

Yeah I'm not sure. It's really tough to fight the narrative that Biden is too old because he is very old. I'm not sure "Biden's always misspoke" is necessarily a helpful line either.

If you try and pivot it to attack Trump for being old or more senile - I feel like you are still just drawing attention to age and that's an issue where it's more of a risk/perception issue around Biden.

In a way I wonder if the best strategy would be to get him out at events speaking, working the crowd, engaging with people (which is what Biden does best). Without going into Jack Palance territory you try to project an image of Biden being out there, engaged, active etc.

My feeling has always been that the attack line you want is what the other side don't want to talk about and even trying to make it a comparison, you're fighting on the GOP's terrain. I've said it for a long time but I still think the line of attack with Trump is that he's weak and a loser (I think this is why Biden keeps emphasising "former" President) - and I think from the Dem side maybe not talking about age.

The problem with going after Trump for Trump's age is that isn't even in the top 10 of reasons not to vote for the guy.

[garbon]

I raised because of the context. Current narrative is Biden is the too old one of the two and anything that can be pegged as examples of him being senile is attributed to that.

A ridiculous narrative that it would be great to see the Democrats due more to combat or pivot from.

Yeah I'm not sure. It's really tough to fight the narrative that Biden is too old because he is very old. I'm not sure "Biden's always misspoke" is necessarily a helpful line either.

If you try and pivot it to attack Trump for being old or more senile - I feel like you are still just drawing attention to age and that's an issue where it's more of a risk/perception issue around Biden.

In a way I wonder if the best strategy would be to get him out at events speaking, working the crowd, engaging with people (which is what Biden does best). Without going into Jack Palance territory you try to project an image of Biden being out there, engaged, active etc.

My feeling has always been that the attack line you want is what the other side don't want to talk about and even trying to make it a comparison, you're fighting on the GOP's terrain. I've said it for a long time but I still think the line of attack with Trump is that he's weak and a loser (I think this is why Biden keeps emphasising "former" President) - and I think from the Dem side maybe not talking about age.

Oh I should be clear. I was chiding Zoupa with biden always gaffes not suggesting a democratic strategy.

[Savonarola]

Between this and Trump with the whole Nikki Haley/Nancy Pelosi episode, you folks are in good hands.

The future looks bright indeed.   

[Savonarola]

Biden recounts 2021 G7 meeting where he spoke with French President Francois Mitterrand.

A triumph of US presidential diplomacy and a good news since his recent calls with Leonid Brezhnev haven't gone so well.  It gives us hope that his upcoming meeting with David Lloyd George will be a success.

Biden has been in politics long enough he probably met Mitterand.

It's likely since Biden was on the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee.  It's possible (though much less likely) that he met Brezhnev as well, as Biden was well into his second term when when Brezhnev died.  Lloyd George was simply a fanciful jest; the earliest serving PM could have met as a Senator was Ted Heath, and living PM would have been Anthony Eden.

[Savonarola]

And after skipping all the Republican debates:

Trump says he wants to debate Biden

Biden's response:

"Immediately? Well, if I were him, I'd want to debate me, too. He's got nothing else to do," Biden told reporters when asked whether he would agree to Trump's challenge to debate him.

Which isn't at all fair, as Trump has a number of court appearances to keep him busy.

[Tamas]

Is this election going to be the last hurrah of the boomers? Clinching to power with their last ailing grasp before they are replaced by a less ridiculously lucky generation?

[garbon]

Is this election going to be the last hurrah of the boomers? Clinching to power with their last ailing grasp before they are replaced by a less ridiculously lucky generation?

Biden isn't a baby boomer.

[Tamas]

Is this election going to be the last hurrah of the boomers? Clinching to power with their last ailing grasp before they are replaced by a less ridiculously lucky generation?

Biden isn't a baby boomer.

But surely close enough.

[The Minsky Moment]

Which isn't at all fair, as Trump has a number of court appearances to keep him busy.

Not really.  Not yet.

[grumbler]

Is this election going to be the last hurrah of the boomers? Clinching to power with their last ailing grasp before they are replaced by a less ridiculously lucky generation?

Biden isn't a baby boomer.

Don't get technical when the Boomer Boogieman gets mentioned.  It's not like these generational labels are more than fuzzy generalizations anyway.

[DGuller]

Looks like None had an impressive showing tonight.  Definitely a Republican nominee I can get behind.

[HVC]

Haley can't even win when she's the only one on the ballot

[Savonarola]

Sure anyone can meet with living European leaders but Biden sets the bar much higher than that:

In his second mix-up this week, Biden talks about meeting with dead European leaders

This time Helmut Kohl when presumably he meant Angela Merkel, (on the other hand it could just have been one heck of a G7 summit that he attended.)