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2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

Started by Syt, May 25, 2023, 02:23:01 AM

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: HVC on August 12, 2024, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: Jacob on August 12, 2024, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 12, 2024, 11:39:00 AMI don't know, it'd probably only offend those that wouldn't vote GOP anyway.

... thus driving Democratic turnout.

If they're not at peak turnout already there is some serious rot in the US's democracy as it currently stands.

The
Quote from: Jacob on August 12, 2024, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 12, 2024, 11:39:00 AMI don't know, it'd probably only offend those that wouldn't vote GOP anyway.

... thus driving Democratic turnout.

Except for the lack of Democratic turnout over Gazapalooza. 

FROM THE LIVER TO THE PEAS

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Valmy

Quote from: crazy canuck on August 12, 2024, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 12, 2024, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 12, 2024, 12:21:52 PMAn alternative explanation to rot is that the American political system does not create the best of choices.  If Biden had stayed in the Democrats would definitely not have been at peak turnout.  Part of the turn around in the polling is the Dems now have a more viable candidate.

I guess I would agree that certainly once the last guy who could even remotely be considered a member of the Revolutionary generation, Andrew Jackson, left office our choices have generally been between mediocre machine politicians...with a few noticeable exceptions. And I guess a few nuts like Trump who actually make the mediocre machine politicians look like giants. Americans have been complaining about that ever since. But...isn't that basically true of every country? I look around our fellow western democracies and generally I am not exactly filled with envy. Well maybe envious about a few elements of their systems that I think are better but certainly not of the caliber of their politicians.

Yes, there is a dearth of good choices out there.  But I think the problem is heightened by your two party system.  At least in other countries there are a wider range of parties to choose from, even in a FPTP system. 

Well since we are a federal system the idea is that each major party is supposed to be an alliance of what is in effect regional parties which are supposed to them produce "favored son" candidates that the rest of the country can then choose from. Of course that doesn't seem to happen much anymore and even back when it did work like that I don't think it produced high quality candidates really.

But anyway I am certainly not going to sit here and claim the two party system, FPTP, and the way we do electoral districts and so forth is something anybody should model their system on. They certainly suck.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 12, 2024, 02:42:40 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 12, 2024, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: Jacob on August 12, 2024, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 12, 2024, 11:39:00 AMI don't know, it'd probably only offend those that wouldn't vote GOP anyway.

... thus driving Democratic turnout.

If they're not at peak turnout already there is some serious rot in the US's democracy as it currently stands.

The
Quote from: Jacob on August 12, 2024, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 12, 2024, 11:39:00 AMI don't know, it'd probably only offend those that wouldn't vote GOP anyway.

... thus driving Democratic turnout.

Except for the lack of Democratic turnout over Gazapalooza. 

FROM THE LIVER TO THE PEAS

At least when President Trump orders the B-52s over Gaza in exchange of Bibis pro tips on how to stay out of jail, schadenfreude over those morons and their choice will ease the pain.

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crazy canuck

Harris is starting to roll out her platform.  And it looks to be a good strategy for winning back the working class vote-it's all about the economy.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: crazy canuck on August 13, 2024, 12:41:14 PMHarris is starting to roll out her platform.  And it looks to be a good strategy for winning back the working class vote-it's all about the economy.


Norgy

An Uber for my quiche and quinoa salad, please.

HVC

Delivery was invented on april 1st 2019 :yes:
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Tonitrus

I blame pizza...living it up all these years before we finally got equality.

Jacob

What's the US Senate election map look like this time around?

Baron von Schtinkenbutt


Sheilbh

Let's bomb Russia!