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Started by Josquius, March 17, 2023, 04:29:16 AM

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HVC

Quote from: Barrister on March 17, 2023, 01:25:56 PM
Quote from: HVC on March 17, 2023, 01:19:45 PMWhich is funny, because as protestants they get to interpret the bible rather than the catechism informing belief. not that American Catholics seem like good Catholics anyway. Probably too much Protestant contagion  ;) :P

That's the thing about evangelical Christians though - you don't get to "interpret" the Bible - it's the literal word of God.  It means what it says.

Which is what makes Minsky's point all the more poignant.

And why it's funny they don't read it :P

But yes, interpret was the wrong word. They have the option to read the bible and see the "literal truth"*. As opposed to a more catholic view.


*except where one part of the bible conflicts with another, then they can choose which one they like more :D
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Quote from: Barrister on March 17, 2023, 01:25:56 PMThat's the thing about evangelical Christians though - you don't get to "interpret" the Bible - it's the literal word of God.  It means what it says.

Which is what makes Minsky's point all the more poignant.
And possibly makes Biblical allusions poorer/explains why explicitly "Christian" culture tends to be so bad in the US :lol: :ph34r:
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Barrister on March 17, 2023, 01:25:56 PM
Quote from: HVC on March 17, 2023, 01:19:45 PMWhich is funny, because as protestants they get to interpret the bible rather than the catechism informing belief. not that American Catholics seem like good Catholics anyway. Probably too much Protestant contagion  ;) :P

That's the thing about evangelical Christians though - you don't get to "interpret" the Bible - it's the literal word of God.  It means what it says.

Which is what makes Minsky's point all the more poignant.

It's unfortunate that so many believe things that are not literally in the Bible - like the whole concept of hell and the devil.  Something developed by Catholic theologians who definitely were interpreting the Bible to try to make sense of it.

And let's not even get started on all the nonsense about the end of days.

crazy canuck

Quote from: Sheilbh on March 17, 2023, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 17, 2023, 01:25:56 PMThat's the thing about evangelical Christians though - you don't get to "interpret" the Bible - it's the literal word of God.  It means what it says.

Which is what makes Minsky's point all the more poignant.
And possibly makes Biblical allusions poorer/explains why explicitly "Christian" culture tends to be so bad in the US :lol: :ph34r:

Its the opposite I think and particularly with Evangelicals.  They have created their own references that have little to nothing with what is actually literally written in the Bible. 


grumbler

Quote from: Barrister on March 17, 2023, 01:25:56 PMThat's the thing about evangelical Christians though - you don't get to "interpret" the Bible - it's the literal word of God.  It means what it says.

That's way over-generalized.  Not all evangelicals believe that the Bible is literally true.  Maybe not even a majority.
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I overheard a family member say recently "The only way to interpret the Bible is through reading the Bible" which makes wonderful circle of logic that lets one reinforce any notion one wishes.
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Quote from: PDH on March 17, 2023, 10:47:44 PM"The only way to interpret the Bible is through reading the Bible"

Which translation though? And aren't there thousands of variations in the original text? :hmm:
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Two examples that I came by recently:

Paparazzi:  Comes from the character Paparazzo in La Dolce Vita
Svengali:  Comes from the novel Trilby by George du Maurier
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: PDH on March 17, 2023, 10:47:44 PMI overheard a family member say recently "The only way to interpret the Bible is through reading the Bible" which makes wonderful circle of logic that lets one reinforce any notion one wishes.

Their Koine and ancient Hebrew language skills must be top notch though.
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Quote from: Savonarola on March 17, 2023, 11:06:04 AMFor English speakers Alexander Pope would probably be the third after Shakespeare and the bible (A little learning is a dangerous thing, damn with faint praise, to err is human, fools rush in where angels fear to tread)

In Iceland it's the medieval Saga literature (mostly deadpan one-liners) fused with the Bible.
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Josquius

Quote from: Legbiter on March 26, 2023, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 17, 2023, 11:06:04 AMFor English speakers Alexander Pope would probably be the third after Shakespeare and the bible (A little learning is a dangerous thing, damn with faint praise, to err is human, fools rush in where angels fear to tread)

In Iceland it's the medieval Saga literature (mostly deadpan one-liners) fused with the Bible.

To be fair your entire language is basically a case of fanboyism ran rampant on that :p
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