Tennessee is set to become the first US state to ban drag

Started by garbon, February 25, 2023, 10:26:51 AM

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Ban all public dancing, fashion shows and wearing of makeup - just to be sure.

Barrister

Quote from: garbon on February 25, 2023, 10:26:51 AMBeebs must be happy that this 'sexualised' performances are now banned. :rolleyes:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tennessee-first-us-state-ban-204400321.html

What the fuck dude?

I literally said that people should be free to do whatever they want - I just personally wouldn't take my kids to a drag queen story hour (although they're now too old for any kind of story hour - they just read to themselves).  I think that's pretty clear I wouldn't want to ban such things.

This kind of bill is an outrageous violation of civil liberties - and as pointed out might go so far as to criminalize a trans person from giving any kind of performance of any sort.
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HVC

I've got no problem with drag reading circles.  Tempest in a tea cup and all. But this seem a bit excessive

Link is to a article, but is NSFW


Mommy and me drag bdsm show

I mean the kids won't remember anything, but seems oddly provocative. No different then dad taking the tots to a strip club.
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Tamas

Quote from: Valmy on February 26, 2023, 08:47:43 AMYeah we are talking about fully clothed people being thrown into prison here for...wearing the wrong clothes.


garbon

Quote from: HVC on March 02, 2023, 12:04:26 PMI've got no problem with drag reading circles.  Tempest in a tea cup and all. But this seem a bit excessive

Link is to a article, but is NSFW


Mommy and me drag bdsm show

I mean the kids won't remember anything, but seems oddly provocative. No different then dad taking the tots to a strip club.

I don't really know why we should care about this. Some parents do strange things and...?
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Sheilbh

Quote from: garbon on March 02, 2023, 12:19:55 PMI don't really know why we should care about this. Some parents do strange things and...?
Yeah - I hate to be a fuddy duddy conservative on this but unless there's a legit safeguarding issue, generally we sould let parents raise their kids and make these types of judgements.
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HVC

Quote from: Sheilbh on March 02, 2023, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 02, 2023, 12:19:55 PMI don't really know why we should care about this. Some parents do strange things and...?
Yeah - I hate to be a fuddy duddy conservative on this but unless there's a legit safeguarding issue, generally we sould let parents raise their kids and make these types of judgements.

I don't know if you can claim to be a fuddy duddy conservative and be pro drag show for kids at the same time  :lol:

As I mentioned there won't be harm to the kid, and I can't really explain why it feels wrong to me, but to quote justice stewart it's a "I know it when I see it" type feeling.

Guess I'm just getting older. Now get off my lawn.
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PDH

Quote from: HVC on March 02, 2023, 12:26:12 PMI don't know if you can claim to be a fuddy duddy conservative and be pro drag show for kids at the same time  :lol:

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Sheilbh

Quote from: HVC on March 02, 2023, 12:26:12 PMI don't know if you can claim to be a fuddy duddy conservative and be pro drag show for kids at the same time  :lol:
As PDH says if you've reached the age of 8 without a man in drag throwing Quality Street at you, you've officially had a sad childhood :(

I just think it's about parental judgement and not for the state to intervene. Parents can decide for themselves what they think is appropriate for their kids.
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Admiral Yi

https://www.kcci.com/article/iowa-senate-bill-would-ban-minors-attending-drag-shows/43015435

"As part of the proposal, business owners who allow minors to attend a drag show would face a year in jail and up to $2,500 in fines. Any person over 18 who knowingly brings a minor to a drag show at a business will be guilty of a simple misdemeanor. State agencies that violate the proposal would be fined $10,000 per minor.

The bill would also allow parents to file a lawsuit if their child sees a drag show. "

Jacob

Do they define "drag show" or is it one of those "I know it when I see it" type of things?

garbon

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 02, 2023, 03:56:49 PMhttps://www.kcci.com/article/iowa-senate-bill-would-ban-minors-attending-drag-shows/43015435

"As part of the proposal, business owners who allow minors to attend a drag show would face a year in jail and up to $2,500 in fines. Any person over 18 who knowingly brings a minor to a drag show at a business will be guilty of a simple misdemeanor. State agencies that violate the proposal would be fined $10,000 per minor.

The bill would also allow parents to file a lawsuit if their child sees a drag show. "

Iowa not doing itself proud.
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grumbler

Quote from: Jacob on March 02, 2023, 04:06:08 PMDo they define "drag show" or is it one of those "I know it when I see it" type of things?

QuoteFor purposes of this section, "dragshow" means a performance in which all of the following apply:
a. The main aspect of the performance is a performer who exhibits a gender identity that is different than the performer's gender assigned at birth through the use of clothing, makeup, accessories, or other gender signifiers.
b. The performer sings, lip-syncs, dances, reads, or otherwise performs before an audience for entertainment, whether or not performed for payment.

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The usual moronic legal proposal from  someone who desperately wants to fight the culture war but is 4F.  Loopholes here the size of elephants.
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