Most American young men are single. Most young women are not.

Started by garbon, February 23, 2023, 06:17:24 AM

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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/

QuoteMore than 60 percent of young men are single, nearly twice the rate of unattached young women, signaling a larger breakdown in the social, romantic and sexual life of the American male.

Men in their 20s are more likely than women in their 20s to be romantically uninvolved, sexually dormant, friendless and lonely. They stand at the vanguard of an epidemic of declining marriage, sexuality and relationships that afflicts all of young America. 

"We're in a crisis of connection," said Niobe Way, a psychology professor and founder of the Project for the Advancement of Our Common Humanity at New York University. "Disconnection from ourselves and disconnection from each other. And it's getting worse."

In the worst-case scenario, the young American man's social disconnect can have tragic consequences. Young men commit suicide at four times the rate of young women. Younger men are largely responsible for rising rates of mass shootings, a trend some researchers link to their growing social isolation.

Societal changes that began in the Eisenhower years have eroded the patriarchy that once ruled the American home, classroom and workplace. Women now collect nearly 60 percent of bachelor's degrees. Men still earn more, but among the youngest adults, the income gap has narrowed to $43 a week.

Scholars say the new era of gender parity has reshaped relationship dynamics, empowering young women and, in many cases, removing young men from the equation.

"Women don't need to be in long-term relationships. They don't need to be married. They'd rather go to brunch with friends than have a horrible date," said Greg Matos, a couple and family psychologist in Los Angeles, who recently penned a viral article titled "What's Behind the Rise of Lonely, Single Men."

Recent years have seen a historic rise in "unpartnered" Americans, particularly among the young. The pandemic made things worse. 

As of 2022, Pew Research Center found, 30 percent of U.S. adults are neither married, living with a partner nor engaged in a committed relationship. Nearly half of all young adults are single: 34 percent of women, and a whopping 63 percent of men. 

Not surprisingly, the decline in relationships marches astride with a decline in sex. The share of sexually active Americans stands at a 30-year low. Around 30 percent of young men reported in 2019 that they had no sex in the past year, compared to about 20 percent of young women. 

Only half of single men are actively seeking relationships or even casual dates, according to Pew. That figure is declining.

"You have to think that the pandemic had an impact on some of those numbers," said Fred Rabinowitz, a psychologist and professor at the University of Redlands who studies masculinity. 

Young men "are watching a lot of social media, they're watching a lot of porn, and I think they're getting a lot of their needs met without having to go out. And I think that's starting to be a habit."

Even seasoned researchers struggle to fully account for the relationship gap between young women and men: If single young men outnumber single young women nearly two to one, then who are all the young women dating?

Some of them are dating each other. One-fifth of Generation Z identifies as queer, and research suggests bisexual women make up a large share of the young-adult queer community. 

Young women are also dating and marrying slightly older men, carrying on a tradition that stretches back more than a century. The average age at first marriage is around 30 for men, 28 for women, according to census figures.

Heterosexual women are getting more choosy. Women "don't want to marry down," to form a long-term relationship to a man with less education and earnings than herself, said Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron and author of several books on masculinity. 

In previous generations, young women entered adulthood in a society that expected them to find a financially stable man who would support them through decades of marriage and motherhood. Over the 1950s and 1960s, that pattern gradually broke down, and today it is all but gone.

Women are tiring of their stereotypical role as full-time therapist for emotionally distant men. They want a partner who is emotionally open and empathetic, the opposite of the age-old masculine ideal.

"Today in America, women expect more from men," Levant said, "and unfortunately, so many men don't have more to give."

The same emotional deficits that hurt men in the dating pool also hamper them in forming meaningful friendships. Fifteen percent of men report having no close friendships, a fivefold increase from 1990, according to research by the Survey Center on American Life. 

"Men are less naturally relational than women," said Richard Reeves, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution whose new book, "Of Boys and Men," has drawn wide praise. 

Reeves points to a recent Saturday Night Live sketch that reimagined the neighborhood dog park as a "man park," poking fun at "this reliance of men on women to do the emotional lifting for them."

Social circles have been shrinking for men and women, especially since the pandemic, but men struggle more. Thirty years ago, 55 percent of men reported having six or more close friends. By 2021, that share had slipped to 27 percent. 

"Women form friendships with each other that are emotionally intimate, whereas men do not," Levant said. Young women "may not be dating, but they have girlfriends they spend time with and gain emotional support from."

Aaron Karo and Matt Ritter, both in their early 40s, study the male "friendship recession" in their "Man of the Year" podcast. It arose out of an annual tradition of gathering at a steakhouse with several male friends, all close since elementary school

"Guys are taught to prioritize career," Karo said. "Also romantic relationships, although it doesn't seem like they're doing a very good job at that. Making friends and keeping friends seems to be a lower priority. And once guys get older, they suddenly realize they have no friends."

The podcasters and their friends created the annual gathering as a way to keep their friendship alive. It spawned a year-round group chat and a "Man of the Year" trophy, awarded to the most deserving friend at the annual dinner.

"We treat friendship as a luxury, especially men," Ritter said. "It's a necessity."
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Josquius

Surely the main discovery here is in the flaws of self reported stats?

And/or women vastly overrate their situationships. And/or the lesbians are taking over, run to the hills.
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The Brain

Women want me. Men want to be with me.

HVC

Quote from: Josquius on February 23, 2023, 06:29:26 AMSurely the main discovery here is in the flaws of self reported stats?

And/or women vastly overrate their situationships. And/or the lesbians are taking over, run to the hills.

Undisclosed polygamy :P

There were some studies a little while back that dating apps are largely skewed to a low percentage of men. 20% of men get 80% of the action (I maybe misremembering the percentages and confusing it with the 80/20 rule :D , but it's around there )
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

The Larch

Another possibility is that young women are in relationships with middle aged men or young foreigners.  :hmm: Or rampant lesbianism.

Grey Fox

It tracks. Men now need to change, both hetero & gay men.
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Valmy

QuoteAs of 2022, Pew Research Center found, 30 percent of U.S. adults are neither married, living with a partner nor engaged in a committed relationship. Nearly half of all young adults are single: 34 percent of women, and a whopping 63 percent of men.

I feel like there is something left out of these stats. If 34 percent of young women are single and 63 percent of young men then those stats should be flipped for older adults yes?

QuoteHeterosexual women are getting more choosy. Women "don't want to marry down," to form a long-term relationship to a man with less education and earnings than herself

There was a time when heterosexual women wanted to form a long-term relationship with a man with less education and earnings than herself? Certainly not a time I was dating. That was, generally, the thing you were filtered for.
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garbon

Quote from: The Larch on February 23, 2023, 08:53:27 AMAnother possibility is that young women are in relationships with middle aged men or young foreigners.  :hmm: Or rampant lesbianism.

Those are items mentioned in it. :P
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

The Larch

Quote from: garbon on February 23, 2023, 10:50:03 AM
Quote from: The Larch on February 23, 2023, 08:53:27 AMAnother possibility is that young women are in relationships with middle aged men or young foreigners.  :hmm: Or rampant lesbianism.

Those are items mentioned in it. :P

I read the article after posting my comment.  :sleep:

HVC

Quote from: Valmy on February 23, 2023, 10:49:58 AMThere was a time when heterosexual women wanted to form a long-term relationship with a man with less education and earnings than herself? Certainly not a time I was dating. That was, generally, the thing you were filtered for.

There was a time when they didn't have many options to marry someone earning less then themselves unless they married an unemployed man :lol:
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Valmy

Quote from: HVC on February 23, 2023, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 23, 2023, 10:49:58 AMThere was a time when heterosexual women wanted to form a long-term relationship with a man with less education and earnings than herself? Certainly not a time I was dating. That was, generally, the thing you were filtered for.

There was a time when they didn't have many options to marry someone earning less then themselves unless they married an unemployed man :lol:

Right. I think it is more about their rising status than having higher standards.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Valmy on February 23, 2023, 10:54:41 AM
Quote from: HVC on February 23, 2023, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 23, 2023, 10:49:58 AMThere was a time when heterosexual women wanted to form a long-term relationship with a man with less education and earnings than herself? Certainly not a time I was dating. That was, generally, the thing you were filtered for.

There was a time when they didn't have many options to marry someone earning less then themselves unless they married an unemployed man :lol:

Right. I think it is more about their rising status than having higher standards.
Damn.  I hate it when women have high standards. :(
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: garbon on February 23, 2023, 06:17:24 AMhttps://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/

QuoteYoung women are also dating and marrying slightly older men, carrying on a tradition that stretches back more than a century.

I think a little more than that.
This has always been an issue.  The difference is that porn has been replacing houses of prostitution and openly lesbian-bi relationships replacing convents and the like.
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Valmy

Quote from: Grey Fox on February 23, 2023, 09:21:02 AMIt tracks. Men now need to change, both hetero & gay men.

Yeah. I don't think the problem is with women becoming more choosey or anything. They have always been choosey. That's not it. It is a problem with us.

Though I will say society doesn't seem to like young men at all. At least that was my experience. I generally felt most people felt threatened by me or generally didn't find my company nice to have around. Now granted maybe that was just my insecurities being projected on others. Though I did find it noticeable as I got older people started being nicer to me. The middle aged man is not the scary monster the young man is. I used to feel isolated all the time, now it seems like I am making friends wherever I go. I don't know if I have changed that much.

So I kind of get that social interaction for the young guy is tough, it is not always pleasant. I had a supportive family and friends to get me through it. So I get it.

What what can be done? I don't know. Obviously it is a society wide problem so we should do something.

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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 23, 2023, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 23, 2023, 06:17:24 AMhttps://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/

QuoteYoung women are also dating and marrying slightly older men, carrying on a tradition that stretches back more than a century.

I think a little more than that.
This has always been an issue.  The difference is that porn has been replacing houses of prostitution and openly lesbian-bi relationships replacing convents and the like.

Ah. Someone is a connoisseur of lesbian-bi porn.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.