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Started by Jacob, September 20, 2022, 12:08:50 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 24, 2022, 03:17:44 PMThe ignorance of this statement is astounding.I would've thought that an American, of all people, would be able to understand that everyone within a particular religious faith is not the same. They only need to look within their own country to realize that there is a significant range of ideology and outlook within the Christian faith. Why an American would think they are somehow exceptional in that regard... oh wait. Right, Americans believe they are exceptional.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 24, 2022, 01:41:12 AMThe European experience with muslims is a tad different.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 23, 2022, 12:01:13 PMNote that the 1979 revolution that brought the mullahs to power was triggered by urban demonstrations led by youth. It was not a rural religious reactionary revolt.
QuoteProtesters have clashed with police officers during demonstrations outside the Iranian embassy in London.The Met Police said members of the crowd threw missiles at officers and breached police lines in Princes Gate, Knightsbridge, on Sunday afternoon.It comes as protests in Iran spread across the world, sparked by the death of Mahsa Amini in custody after being detained by Iranian morality police.At least five officers were seriously injured.Twelve people have been arrested on suspicion of violent disorder offences.Dozens of protesters in London chanted "death to the Islamic Republic" and were seen waving Iran's former national flag from before 1979.London mayor Sadiq Khan described the scenes as "completely unacceptable"."The selfish minority who attempted to hijack a peaceful protest must be brought to justice," he said.Footage posted online from Sunday's protest showed altercations breaking out among those in the crowd.One clip showed two officers wrestling a campaigner - who appeared to have broken through the police line - to the ground.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on September 25, 2022, 11:29:11 AMAnd? You did not make a point here, but if I properly extrapolate, you seem to be suggesting the Iranian regime's support base is not rural religious conservatives.
Quote from: Tamas on September 26, 2022, 05:16:32 AMNot to ruin the "Europe is a pro-theocracy bastion" narrative, but:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on September 26, 2022, 08:26:44 AMThere is no widespread urban base of opposition to the Islamic Republic, there is widespread opposition among a small minority of urban Iranians, mostly those with higher educational attainment.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 26, 2022, 08:36:09 AMQuote from: OttoVonBismarck on September 26, 2022, 08:26:44 AMThere is no widespread urban base of opposition to the Islamic Republic, there is widespread opposition among a small minority of urban Iranians, mostly those with higher educational attainment.That's probably true; I'm not denying it. I'm merely stating that if such a movement arose, the regime could not count on rural sympathies to survive it.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on September 26, 2022, 10:23:36 AMThe thing is there are 80 million Iranians, if this was anything but a small percentage of urban liberal types the regime would simply be toppled. The military can't do anything if it is literally outnumbered by millions and millions of people ready to bring the regime down. This is no different than many other such popular revolts--it's getting a lot of attention but it is far easier to pay attention to thousands in the streets and ignore the 79 million who simply are going to stay at home.
Quote from: crazy canuckBB's treatment is consistent with one who defends positions taken by the conservative wing of the Conservatives.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on September 26, 2022, 10:38:59 AMMy response: show me.
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