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Started by Threviel, September 16, 2021, 12:45:13 AM

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Syt

If we want to prevent catastrophic economic and societal change we will have to radically change our climate system.

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Let's bomb Russia!

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What happened to Cyberia btw?
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Threviel

Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that the designs will be based on Astutes rather than the Virginias? The Astutes seem cheaper to build and man and would presumably be the better choice for a smaller navy?

Duque de Bragança

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Last arms deal upset of this magnitude I remember of, was the helicopter deal with Poland, cancelled when the potato twin party and its allies assumed power, and went for an "Atlantist" solution.

PS: quite a hit for the small normand city of Cherbourg (30,000 people).
According to Le Monde, New Zealand, ally of Australia already said that nuclear submarines won't be allowed to visit its ports or even NZ waters. A policy decision dating from 1985.

Grey Fox

Duque, none of these Rest of the World people will know who you mean by Potato Twin.

Good one, tho.
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Maximus

Who on languish doesn't know who the potato twins were?

Jacob

Quote from: Grey Fox on September 16, 2021, 08:17:09 AM
Duque, none of these Rest of the World people will know who you mean by Potato Twin.

Good one, tho.

It's easier to understand than your typical Yi-ism.

Barrister

So the obvious question from this part of the world is why wasn't Canada involved.  I mean - we're a pacific nation, we have conflicts with China, we have long-standing ties to all three countries...

Three options come to mind:

1. This is largely about nuclear subs.  Canada does not have nuclear subs, and no plans to build new subs.
2. We have an election going on, so they don't want to interfere
3. They just don't trust us. :ph34r:
Quote from: crazy canuckBB's treatment is consistent with one who defends positions taken by the conservative wing of the Conservatives.

Grey Fox

We have 2 submarines.

We're the surface navy partner if anything.
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The Brain

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 16, 2021, 07:49:45 AM
Last arms deal upset of this magnitude I remember of, was the helicopter deal with Poland, cancelled when the potato twin party and its allies assumed power, and went for an "Atlantist" solution.

PS: quite a hit for the small normand city of Cherbourg (30,000 people).
According to Le Monde, New Zealand, ally of Australia already said that nuclear submarines won't be allowed to visit its ports or even NZ waters. A policy decision dating from 1985.

FWIW I don't think they plan to invade NZ.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: Barrister on September 16, 2021, 10:07:09 AMSo the obvious question from this part of the world is why wasn't Canada involved.  I mean - we're a pacific nation, we have conflicts with China, we have long-standing ties to all three countries...

Three options come to mind:

1. This is largely about nuclear subs.  Canada does not have nuclear subs, and no plans to build new subs.
2. We have an election going on, so they don't want to interfere
3. They just don't trust us. :ph34r:
My guess is number 2. From a UK perspective I'm not sure it would be considered acceptable for a government to agree to or announce something like this during an election campaign - generally major decisions on policy have to be postponed until a new government has formed but I don't know if there's the same tradition in Canada.

It has been striking over the last year that Australia, Canada and the UK have issued so many joint statements on issues around China (but also Belarus, Armenia etc) - so I think they're clearly aligned which was particularly noteworthy while Trump was still in office. I think there is an emerging difference with New Zealand - and obviously they don't let nuclear subs in their waters. But I wouldn't be surprised if Canada joined that agreement.
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Syt

Quote from: Barrister on September 16, 2021, 10:07:09 AM
So the obvious question from this part of the world is why wasn't Canada involved.  I mean - we're a pacific nation, we have conflicts with China, we have long-standing ties to all three countries...

Three options come to mind:

1. This is largely about nuclear subs.  Canada does not have nuclear subs, and no plans to build new subs.
2. We have an election going on, so they don't want to interfere
3. They just don't trust us. :ph34r:

4. They forgot.
If we want to prevent catastrophic economic and societal change we will have to radically change our climate system.

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Barrister

Quote from: Grey Fox on September 16, 2021, 10:28:23 AM
We have 2 submarines.

We're the surface navy partner if anything.

But not nuclear submarines.

In one way this can just be seen as a transfer of nuclear sub tech from US/UK to Aus.  Canada has nothing to contribute in such a transaction.
Quote from: crazy canuckBB's treatment is consistent with one who defends positions taken by the conservative wing of the Conservatives.