History Trivia Thread Reducks

[Sheilbh]

The strange thing about the Umar story is that it fits Islamic attitudes to learning after "The Incoherence of the Philosophers" better than it does the attitude of conquest beduin. The fact here was that the Library ceased to exist as part of the conquest.

But that's like blaming the Bishop of Rome for the decline of the city, rather than the numerous raids and attacks in the previous centuries.  It seems far more likely that the Arabs presided over the death of the library rather than that they destroyed it.  The first stories are recorded in the 12th century.  That's probably why it reflects the attitudes of that period, not the period the story alleges to narrate.

As I say my understanding is that in Western scholarship this is viewed as a myth (certainly the books I've read that cover the early Caliphate dismiss the story).  Though it's still really interesting, especially what Bernard Lewis tries to address, which is why it's a myth, why it emerged when and where it did.

[The Brain]

Open floor.

[Grey Fox]

To get some traction out of this thread.

Who founded the colonies of New Amsterdam & New Sweden?

Bonus : He bought the land from the Indians, which tribe & how much?

[Admiral Yi]

$24 worth of Dutch shit.

Can't remember the dudes name, but they named a pipe tobacco after him.

Can't remember the tribe's name at all.  If it was a tribe at all; could have been a chiefdom.

[Valmy]

I think his name was Peter Minuet or something like that.

[The Brain]

Not an answer to the question, but I just like to point out that Rambo settled in New Sweden in 1640.

[Ideologue]

To get some traction out of this thread.

Who founded the colonies of New Amsterdam & New Sweden?

The Netherlands and Sweden.

[Drakken]

To get some traction out of this thread.

Who founded the colonies of New Amsterdam & New Sweden?

Bonus : He bought the land from the Indians, which tribe & how much?

Johann Printz?

The tribe and the sum, I don't have a clue, though.

[Razgovory]

To get some traction out of this thread.

Who founded the colonies of New Amsterdam & New Sweden?

Bonus : He bought the land from the Indians, which tribe & how much?

The only one I can remember is Peter Stuyvesant.

[Grey Fox]

Valmy is right, Peter Minuit.

It is believe it's the Lenape tribe but that's hardly official. Yi is right on the number.

Valmy or Yi get to ask a question, who ever does it first.

[Cecil]

Valmy is right, Peter Minuit.

It is believe it's the Lenape tribe but that's hardly official. Yi is right on the number.

Valmy or Yi get to ask a question, who ever does it first.

He was a great first pick in Colonization. You could just steal the indians shit for free.

[PDH]

And the funny thing is that it was the indians who made out like bandits: they traded land that wasn't theirs for a priceless array of high-tech goodies.

[Malthus]

A follow up question, just to keep the thread going - the Indians were not the only ones to make what may seem in hindsight to have been a bad bargain for Manhattan ... what did the Dutch in turn horse-trade Manhattan away for to the English, in the treaty that ended the second anglo-Dutch war?

[Admiral Yi]

A small island in the Molluccas called Run? 

[Maladict]

Suriname. Terrible mistake