Climate Change - The Languish 'Community' Responses?

[Syt]

Weird. In most places the trend is to do away with this mid 20th century mess and go back to something classic.

At the same time they pay lip service to adding greenery in some places.

Mariahilfer Straße, the main shopping street, had trees added when it was redone a few years ago. The trees now form a canopy over much of the street, which is nice (denser now than in the pictures below). However, even these trees are basically cemented in up to the trunk.





EDIT: Replaced the second picture since it was very out of date with a more recent one that shows the trees better. It looks like they're in dirt, but it's really concrete.

[Grey Fox]

Cool.

It seems most people who've posted in this thread so far are arguing that that's not going to work given the timelines.

I agree with them.

But that's not what I've been arguing about.  I took exception to that tweet from the CNN dude about who is responsible for emissions.

Rampant capitalism is responsible. Companies are more responsible for that than consumers.

[Valmy]

Yeah the rainforest thing is one thing that always irked me. I mean obviously they should be preserved, but wasn't much of Europe a big bloody forest as well? We got rid most of it, built wealthy economies in its place, and then we started telling the rest of the world to stay poor and undeveloped otherwise they endanger our lives of comfort and luxury.

Yeah but Europe has been reforesting since 1900, few other continents have MORE forests than they did 100 years ago. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/12/04/watch-how-europe-is-greener-now-than-100-years-ago/

But joke is on Europe since all those forests catch on fire all the time now apparently.

[mongers]

Why do the baking potatoes I had a couple of days ago need to have come from either the UK, France, Israel or Egypt?

The things are after all 75% water, do they really need to be imported across all of Europe and the Mediterranean sea?

What would be the carbon foot print of that?

[Threviel]

What would be the carbon foot print of that?

Miniscule.

[mongers]

What would be the carbon foot print of that?

Miniscule.

Really, as compared to getting them from a local farmer?

Just imagine if I bought a 1kg of these potatoes a week, I wouldn't because I don't like them, but over a year that would add up to a whole 50Kg sack.

[Eddie Teach]

You don't like potatoes?

[mongers]

You don't like potatoes?

These were the first I'd eaten in several years, turns out no I don't like them.

That's probably largely due to them not being nutritious enough for me, as right after finishing them I had eat what was at hand, eight shortcake butter biscuits to make up for the still hungry feeling. 

Which caused me to look up the nutrition details and so find out they might have come from Egypt/Israel.

[Josquius]

I remember many many years ago complaining about this same thing on languish. I remember a few people failing to get why it was an issue.

There was some stat of the UK exporting x tonnes of potatoes to Germany and importing around x tonnes of potatoes from Germany.

[Sheilbh]

Really, as compared to getting them from a local farmer?

Just imagine if I bought a 1kg of these potatoes a week, I wouldn't because I don't like them, but over a year that would add up to a whole 50Kg sack.

Not sure about potatoes but I remember reading about how counter-intuitive lots of the food miles points were - so it is far more carbon intensive to have those huge, heated artificial environments for growing tomatoes in East Anglia and the Netherlands than to fly them from somewhere warm.

But this links to one of the many bees in my bonnet. The UK competition regulator forces supermarkets to have standard national prices - they consider differential pricing as anti-competitive and harmful to consumers. This means that UK supermarkets are pretty homogenous but they also basically only have an interest in large producers who can commit to volume and pricing. It's not the case in, say, France or Spain which is why you see more local produce because the best/cheapest deals if you allow differential pricing is often local. It's probably environmentally best too as well as making for more interesting/diverse supermarket shopping because youo get slightly different offers in different bits of the country.

I think it's probably fair to have some rules for the remote areas like the Western Isles though.

[Josquius]

How about something like you get to go tax free/massively reduced tax for selling stuff from within 20km of a particular branch? - maybe increase that out to 50km in more rural areas.
I can see the advantages and disadvantages of both sides of national standardisation. I do worry it wouldn't just be the Highlands to suffer. Already with the shortages stuff at the moment there are reports of places with higher density (shops and people) getting more deliveries and fewer empty shelves than the country.

[crazy canuck]

You don't like potatoes?

These were the first I'd eaten in several years, turns out no I don't like them.

That's probably largely due to them not being nutritious enough for me, as right after finishing them I had eat what was at hand, eight shortcake butter biscuits to make up for the still hungry feeling. 

Which caused me to look up the nutrition details and so find out they might have come from Egypt/Israel.

That is odd, one of the things potatoes do is make you feel full because of all the fibre - perhaps it was the way you prepared them? Its a bit of a mystery.

[mongers]

You don't like potatoes?

These were the first I'd eaten in several years, turns out no I don't like them.

That's probably largely due to them not being nutritious enough for me, as right after finishing them I had eat what was at hand, eight shortcake butter biscuits to make up for the still hungry feeling. 

Which caused me to look up the nutrition details and so find out they might have come from Egypt/Israel.

That is odd, one of the things potatoes do is make you feel full because of all the fibre - perhaps it was the way you prepared them? Its a bit of a mystery.

Trust me CC, I get plenty of fibre in my diet, an daily average of about 28g, which probably puts me in top decile for consumption of it.

I think in my case it's not a matterof feeling full, as I'm not sure I'm ever that, more that my body knows there's isn't enough protein/carbs etc in it.

[crazy canuck]

You don't like potatoes?

These were the first I'd eaten in several years, turns out no I don't like them.

That's probably largely due to them not being nutritious enough for me, as right after finishing them I had eat what was at hand, eight shortcake butter biscuits to make up for the still hungry feeling. 

Which caused me to look up the nutrition details and so find out they might have come from Egypt/Israel.

That is odd, one of the things potatoes do is make you feel full because of all the fibre - perhaps it was the way you prepared them? Its a bit of a mystery.

Trust me CC, I get plenty of fibre in my diet, an daily average of about 28g, which probably puts me in top decile for consumption of it.

I think in my case it's not a matterof feeling full, as I'm not sure I'm ever that, more that my body knows there's isn't enough protein/carbs etc in it.

That is probably it then, since you already get a lot of fibre, the only thing the potatoes are really adding is calories.

[PDH]

That's why a baked potato needs butter, cheese, sour cream, gravy, onion, garlic, a steak, a side salad, and maybe some pie.