Climate Change - The Languish 'Community' Responses?

[Josquius]

Something being forgotten is if half the population are breaking their backs to recycle, cut meat, etc... Then this sends a powerful message to politicians and corporations and will incentivise much bigger changes than the action itself.

Eg we had a thread not too long ago on nestle and their efforts to pivot to being a health company. Something I can say from the inside they're really keen on. They saw the writing on the wall and just chasing profits went this way.

I often see on TV these days the big oil companies advertising is focused around their environmental investments. BP in particular seems to be pushing that hard.

Edit-ah. Jacob said as much. Only half the thread loaded.

[Admiral Yi]

This blame game is silly.  It's just as true to say that end consumers are responsible for 100% of emissions.

[Jacob]

This blame game is silly.  It's just as true to say that end consumers are responsible for 100% of emissions.

It is not silly at all. It identifies where the relevant decision-making sits and where the appropriate regulatory and legislative pressure can most effectively be applied.

[Admiral Yi]

It is not silly at all. It identifies where the relevant decision-making sits and where the appropriate regulatory and legislative pressure can most effectively be applied.

Where does the relevant decision making sit for what kind of car you drive, how much you travel by plane, how energy efficient you home is, etc., etc?

[Jacob]

Where does the relevant decision making sit for what kind of car you drive, how much you travel by plane, how energy efficient you home is, etc., etc?

Primarily with whoever is writing and enforcing the regulations for carbon pricing, car standards, requirements and standards for airplane manufacturing and travel, home energy efficiency, and so on.

[Jacob]

The top 100 producers of CO2

[Admiral Yi]

Primarily with whoever is writing and enforcing the regulations for carbon pricing, car standards, requirements and standards for airplane manufacturing and travel, home energy efficiency, and so on.

Those things can change my incentives and limit my options,, but none of those make my consumption decisions for me.

[Jacob]

Those things can change my incentives and limit my options,, but none of those make my consumption decisions for me.

This conversation has mostly been about how individual consumption decisions are going to be insufficient, about how more structural changes - which includes changing incentives and limiting options - are required.

So... yes.

[Admiral Yi]

This conversation has mostly been about how individual consumption decisions are going to be insufficient, about how more structural changes - which includes changing incentives and limiting options - are required.

So... yes.

But they are not required.  If every single person changed their consumption pattern as if there were a whopping carbon tax in place, it would have the exact same effect as a carbon tax. 

[Jacob]

But they are not required.  If every single person changed their consumption pattern as if there were a whopping carbon tax in place, it would have the exact same effect as a carbon tax.

Cool.

It seems most people who've posted in this thread so far are arguing that that's not going to work given the timelines.

[The Brain]

Just go nuclear. Problem solved.

[The Minsky Moment]

The top 100 producers of CO2

So power companies, mining companies, and transport all in big countries. I'm not sure what this tells us.  Sure if Indian and China stopped generating electricity nationwide CO2 emissions would go way down.  American Airlines is on the list but not Rinkydink National Airlines that carries 52 passengers a year.  Not because American is so uniquely polluting but because it is big.

[Admiral Yi]

Cool.

It seems most people who've posted in this thread so far are arguing that that's not going to work given the timelines.

I agree with them.

But that's not what I've been arguing about.  I took exception to that tweet from the CNN dude about who is responsible for emissions.

[Syt]

A square in central Vienna is getting redone. Who needs shades, trees, etc?



(This kind of shit is way too common in Vienna.)

[Josquius]

Weird. In most places the trend is to do away with this mid 20th century mess and go back to something classic.