What the Right gets wrong about economics that annoys the shit out of me....

[Zanza]

Lest we forget German State Socialism.

What's that?

[Josquius]

Lest we forget German State Socialism.

What's that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Socialism_(Germany)
I thought it was a pretty well known part of German history?
A big part of why the Nazis called themselves National Socialists and why German politics today is peculiar in the strength of its conservative socialists.

[crazy canuck]

Lest we forget German State Socialism.

What's that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Socialism_(Germany)
I thought it was a pretty well known part of Germany history?
A big part of why the Nazis called themselves National Socialists and why German politics today is peculiar in the strength of its conservative socialists.

I clicked the link and Wiki told me it does not have an article of that description, so maybe not as well known as one might think?   

[The Brain]

You have to check the Pidgin article.

[Duque de Bragança]

Lest we forget German State Socialism.

What's that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Socialism_(Germany)
I thought it was a pretty well known part of Germany history?
A big part of why the Nazis called themselves National Socialists and why German politics today is peculiar in the strength of its conservative socialists.

I clicked the link and Wiki told me it does not have an article of that description, so maybe not as well known as one might think?   

Poor Tyr, just because he forgot a bracket. 

Having the model social/welfare State founded by an arch-conservative/reactionary/right-winger was already hard enough. 

[garbon]

Lest we forget German State Socialism.

What's that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Socialism_(Germany)
I thought it was a pretty well known part of Germany history?
A big part of why the Nazis called themselves National Socialists and why German politics today is peculiar in the strength of its conservative socialists.

I clicked the link and Wiki told me it does not have an article of that description, so maybe not as well known as one might think?   

Poor Tyr, just because he forgot a bracket. 

Having the model social/welfare State founded by an arch-conservative/reactionary/right-winger was already hard enough. 

Actually, I've noticed our board has a tendency to not include closing parenthesis and thus breaks Wikipedia links.

[alfred russel]

It is not possible that you are just now realizing this Berkut. Socialism has a special meaning inside the United States - polyester uniformed autocrats! Monstrous evil! Things economic libertarians dont like! Whatever one might decide the word actually mean, in the US its simply a boogly-woogly scare word for conservative media. You will be afraid when we tell you to be. 

I thought it was an odd choice for Sanders to run as a "Democratic Socialist" when he's very clearly a rather old fashioned new deal Democrat. Presumably the campaign was trying to draw the sting of the inevitable "Thats Socialism!" chorus, I'm not sure. Seemed like a bad idea with hindsight. Honestly I thought it was a bad idea at the time.

What makes you think I am just realizing this?

And Sanders ran as a "Democratic Socialist" in an effort to differentiate himself from the "Socialist" he has been describing himself as for his entire political career before he decided he wanted to be President.

I think the term "socialist" has no actual meaning in modern liberal politics. It either describes all political parties and their views, or exactly none of them.

You can say that the word "socialist" is just a term to describe anyone who feels that we should weigh more on the left side of the spectrum on the question of how much we should dedicate to social spending. But in that case...is it not just an overlap with the term "progressive"?

Hence my annoyance with the rights use of the term. It either references something that simply does not actually exist in any real way in modern liberal politics (an actual SOCIALIST/state owns means of production) or it references something that everyone is, including themselves (people who think the government should be involved in defining what the 'right' level of social spending ought to be).

My post wasn't intended to be some kind of revelation.

So you started a thread understanding that socialist can be a term widely applied, and used as a self identifying label by lots of people on the center left, but wanted to complain that it "annoys the shit out of you" that people on the right use the broader definition?

[Sheilbh]

Another one for Yi of not a useful term - and there's huge history of arguments within the left over what is or isn't socialism plus all the national traditions. At best a vague gesturing of being on the left, at worst a shibboleth that you're in the gang.