The EU thread

[Admiral Yi]

I disagree.

[Zoupa]

Good to know.

[Neil]

Is the issue people being made more radical by opposition, or is it just that sometimes the most vocal supporters of political movements create purity tests for things that they absolutely believe in, but where the majority of public sentiment is on the other side?  It's not that people are becoming more radical (or at least most people, there's always people who react to any kind of opposition with violent defiance), but it makes people less likely to support a party, because they've been told that they're either monsters or traitors.  And it's not like the left is unique for that.  I know that I face difficulties in conservative circles because I don't think that the answer to every problem is a tax cut, or that regulation is always onerous.  I think that's a mechanism that's at least partly responsible for a lot of the broad disgust that people have with politics.

[Zoupa]

I think we've reached a point in a lot of our democracies where polarization is so extreme that a large number of folks on the right are literally nazis. It's not hyperbole or overuse of the term fascist. These folks are embracing eugenics, ultranationalism, direct action/violence, and trad-sexism or whatever you want to call it.

At this point, I don't think dialogue and understanding works.

[Neil]

I'm not hip with the lingo that the kids these days are throwing down.  What's trad-sexism?

[Zoupa]

It's the trend of the "tradwife". Quite popular with the alt-right, incel, redpill etc communities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradwife

[Neil]

It's the trend of the "tradwife". Quite popular with the alt-right, incel, redpill etc communities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradwife

Huh.  On the one hand, I've seen great results in my in-laws with my late wife's sisters being stay-at-home wives raising children.  But then again, they weren't doing this for internet clout, and it was less 'submission' and more 'division of labour'.  On the other hand, I've seen a couple or two that I wonder if this is what they're shooting for, and it requires a man to be pretty mature to actually work.  I don't have a lot of faith in internet 'alpha males' being able to make this work.