Quo Vadis GOP?

[HVC]

Just to be clear, do we all agree "Cancel Culture" is bad now?

Did anyone here ever think cancel culture was good?

[Razgovory]

Just to be clear, do we all agree "Cancel Culture" is bad now?

Did anyone here ever think cancel culture was good?

Maybe, not sure.

[crazy canuck]

It really depends on what people mean when they say cancel culture.  The misunderstanding of what freedom of express means continues to plague this discussion group.

You guys have really bought into the right wing narrative.

[HVC]

Just to be clear, do we all agree "Cancel Culture" is bad now?

Did anyone here ever think cancel culture was good?

Maybe, not sure.

so what's the point of the question? Yelling scorn into an empty room seems meaningless.

[DGuller]

Why in the world would you think that I'm not?  I'm just frustrated at this most predictable development.

Let me start by saying that you were right in the long standing concerns you voiced about cancel culture coming back to bite when the political scales shifted, and that the principle of protecting free speech is best practiced in protecting speech you disagree with.

As for why I would think you're not, I'm mainly going by what you're posting - which seems focused on how its "the lefts" fault that the reactionary right is wielding government power to punish private speech, and not that it is wrong.

Just to be clear, it is absolutely awful what is done to Charlie Kirk non-fans.  The most severe "consequence" that is acceptable in a free society is a lowered opinion of the person expressing unacceptable thoughts.  Anything beyond that, legal or not, should be considered offensive to the concept of liberty, including exercise of "freedom of association" to punish people for using their freedom of speech.

As to why I didn't volunteer this paragraph above before now?  I guess it's a common bias among people to focus on those with greatest agency rather than those with greatest transgression.  If I feed sandwiches to a bear and next week the bear eats a hiker, it's natural for other to focus on my actions, even though what the bear did was so much more awful than what I did.  At the end of the day, if we want less dead hikers, it's easier to convince humans to stop feeding the bears than it is to convince the bears to stop eating the humans.  I haven't seen any evidence that fascists have any more agency than bears.

[DGuller]

Just to be clear, do we all agree "Cancel Culture" is bad now?

Did anyone here ever think cancel culture was good?

People losing their job for being revealed to be a massive racist, homophobe, or whatever, really seems fair enough to me.

[garbon]

Well Stalin had demonstrated the beauty of a purge.

Pretty sure purges go back significantly longer than that.

What does Grumbles say? Whoosh.

[garbon]

It really depends on what people mean when they say cancel culture.  The misunderstanding of what freedom of express means continues to plague this discussion group.

You guys have really bought into the right wing narrative.

[Jacob]

Well Stalin had demonstrated the beauty of a purge.

Pretty sure purges go back significantly longer than that.

What does Grumbles say? Whoosh.

Well if we're channelling grumbler I guess I'll thank you for demonstrating that you missed my point.

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[Josquius]

Just to be clear, do we all agree "Cancel Culture" is bad now?

Did anyone here ever think cancel culture was good?

People losing their job for being revealed to be a massive racist, homophobe, or whatever, really seems fair enough to me.

That's not cancel culture. That's common sense good management.

Quite a different thing to the government actively forcing institutions to fire people for saying things that don't step into any legally questionable areas at all but are politically inconvenient.

[Razgovory]

Just to be clear, do we all agree "Cancel Culture" is bad now?

Did anyone here ever think cancel culture was good?

Maybe, not sure.

so what's the point of the question? Yelling scorn into an empty room seems meaningless.

Well anyways, Josq has shown that no, some people are fine with policing other people's beliefs.

[Razgovory]

Just to be clear, do we all agree "Cancel Culture" is bad now?

Did anyone here ever think cancel culture was good?

People losing their job for being revealed to be a massive racist, homophobe, or whatever, really seems fair enough to me.

That's not cancel culture. That's common sense good management.

Quite a different thing to the government actively forcing institutions to fire people for saying things that don't step into any legally questionable areas at all but are politically inconvenient.

Right now, there is a concerted effort by Republican activists to call up employers and get people fired for saying things they don't like.  Racism, homophobia are entirely legal in the US they are just politically inconvenient as you say.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Was Adidas right to drop Kanye?
If I refuse to buy Yeezy's new Megahitler shoes, is that cancel culture?

[Razgovory]

Was Adidas right to drop Kanye?
If I refuse to buy Yeezy's new Megahitler shoes, is that cancel culture?

Fuck if I know.

[Josquius]

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Right now, there is a concerted effort by Republican activists to call up employers and get people fired for saying things they don't like.  Racism, homophobia are entirely legal in the US they are just politically inconvenient as you say.

That's a failing on americas part. No doubt part of your current mess. You shouldn't have been soft on fascists.

Even ignoring your crap laws on hate speech, I would still see quite a difference between someone expressing a desire to kill a significant chunk of your customer base vs someone who says they want to vote for the opposition party.