Quo Vadis GOP?

[HVC]

It always strikes me as funny that at the end of the day it is the fault of the left as though Republicans needed help considering a course of action legitimate. But I guess similar to how voters had to vote for Trump because lefties made them feel bad.

It's not like the conservatives never canceled anybody before the left invented it. McCarthyism was a thing after all.

[garbon]

It always strikes me as funny that at the end of the day it is the fault of the left as though Republicans needed help considering a course of action legitimate. But I guess similar to how voters had to vote for Trump because lefties made them feel bad.

It's not like the conservatives never canceled anybody before the left invented it. McCarthyism was a thing after all.

Well Stalin had demonstrated the beauty of a purge.

[Valmy]

It always strikes me as funny that at the end of the day it is the fault of the left as though Republicans needed help considering a course of action legitimate. But I guess similar to how voters had to vote for Trump because lefties made them feel bad.

It's not like the conservatives never canceled anybody before the left invented it. McCarthyism was a thing after all.

The Dixie Chicks got cancelled. They tried to cancel the Beatles FFS.

And even at the time back in 2014 I very much saw efforts to cancel people by the right, the lady at the center of Gamergate had a massive campaign against her for example.

But that doesn't excuse the faceless mob on twitter who did their nonsense. But it is kind of hard to hold a faceless mob accountable. The best option at the time was to just do what I did. Leave twitter and ignore it. Something the institutions of the world seemed incapable of doing.

[HVC]

Just got a Dixie Chicks flash back. Damn liberals.

But yeah, it's bad across the board. It's just odd to blame it as some left phenomenon that shifted across the political spectrum.

*edit* damn your edit

[crazy canuck]

'The government'?  I thought Joan's example was a lawyer at a private firm? 

Now, why do you think the law firm did that - could it have anything to do with the governmental action against law firms since January 

[crazy canuck]

It always strikes me as funny that at the end of the day it is the fault of the left as though Republicans needed help considering a course of action legitimate. But I guess similar to how voters had to vote for Trump because lefties made them feel bad.

It is the go to play of the right, all their bad behaviour is justified on the basis of real or imagined acts of the left in the past.

[The Minsky Moment]

'The government'?  I thought Joan's example was a lawyer at a private firm? 

Now, why do you think the law firm did that - could it have anything to do with the governmental action against law firms since January 

For all, CC is referring to the fact that Perkins Coie was the second law firm targeted by Trump.

Perkins didn't cave and challenged the order but it appears they have little appetite for more.

They are a private law firm and can hire and fire anyone they wish.  But this is an awful reason to can a young lawyer.

[crazy canuck]

There is also a false equivalency in posts that claim the right is just doing what the left did.  In the past people were fired for making racist, homophobic or misogynist statements on social media.  What this young lawyer did does not come close to violating any law or code of conduct.  He just said something that displeases the Trumpists.

[Valmy]

Just got a Dixie Chicks flash back. Damn liberals.

But yeah, it's bad across the board. It's just odd to blame it as some left phenomenon that shifted across the political spectrum.

*edit* damn your edit

I brain farted there.

[Jacob]

Why in the world would you think that I'm not?  I'm just frustrated at this most predictable development.

Let me start by saying that you were right in the long standing concerns you voiced about cancel culture coming back to bite when the political scales shifted, and that the principle of protecting free speech is best practiced in protecting speech you disagree with.

As for why I would think you're not, I'm mainly going by what you're posting - which seems focused on how its "the lefts" fault that the reactionary right is wielding government power to punish private speech, and not that it is wrong.

[Jacob]

Well Stalin had demonstrated the beauty of a purge.

Pretty sure purges go back significantly longer than that.

[HVC]

Well Stalin had demonstrated the beauty of a purge.

Pretty sure purges go back significantly longer than that.

Maybe sulla was a lefty? MB would be distraught

[The Minsky Moment]

The Dixie Chicks got cancelled. They tried to cancel the Beatles FFS.

That's new-fangled stuff, GOP cancel culture goes back to the OG cancel culture: McCarthy and the blacklists.  That was driven by Congress with Eisenhower dragging his feet; now it is driven by the Executive, with Congress cheering it on.

[Syt]

It always strikes me as funny that at the end of the day it is the fault of the left as though Republicans needed help considering a course of action legitimate. But I guess similar to how voters had to vote for Trump because lefties made them feel bad.

Yes. I don't think that the right would be behaving very differently if cancellations by the left never (or rarely) happened - not considering that many "cancelled" right wingers went on to have lucrative, public, loud careers in the right wing griftosphere.

[Razgovory]

Just to be clear, do we all agree "Cancel Culture" is bad now?