Quo Vadis GOP?

[Admiral Yi]

D'Nesh DSouzu is just a troll.

[garbon]

D'Nesh DSouzu is just a troll.

Yep. No need to engage.

[Sheilbh]

What's the turning point from European settlers to European immigrants?

Popery?

[Jacob]

What's the turning point from European settlers to European immigrants?

Mythology.

[crazy canuck]

What's the turning point from European settlers to European immigrants?

Racism

[DGuller]

I think there can be a clear delineation.  Settlers go into wilderness to establish organized society, immigrants join the established society.

[crazy canuck]

I think there can be a clear delineation.  Settlers go into wilderness to establish organized society, immigrants join the established society.

What do you define as wilderness?

What settlers go into winderness to establish an organized society?  My ancestors came to Canada to take up an offer to "settle" on land to set up family farms.  None of my ancestors cared one wit about creating  an organized society.

[viper37]

I think there can be a clear delineation.  Settlers go into wilderness to establish organized society, immigrants join the established society.

What do you define as wilderness?

What settlers go into winderness to establish an organized society?  My ancestors came to Canada to take up an offer to "settle" on land to set up family farms.  None of my ancestors cared one wit about creating  an organized society.

Creating, no, but joining, most likely yes?

Creating an organized society was for the early settlers of the 17th century.  There was no society* when Champlain came here with his first settlers.  Same for the first British down south, and the Dutch.

Once we had a few cities established, creating farms further away was simply a matter of joining the society, not recreating a new one, imho.

*As defined by Europeans.  Obviously, First Nations had their own societies, distinct from what Europeans would create.

[Oexmelin]

Indeed, what are the spaces that were wilderness?

[Grey Fox]

To our Europeans ancestors, I'd say anywhere where Europeans are not. If you are the first white to show up you are settling wilderness.

[crazy canuck]

To our Europeans ancestors, I'd say anywhere where Europeans are not. If you are the first white to show up you are settling wilderness.

My ancestors "settled" on land (wilderness?) that was not yet occupied by a European.  That was in the early 1900s. Hardly fits the definition DG provided.

[Grey Fox]

To our Europeans ancestors, I'd say anywhere where Europeans are not. If you are the first white to show up you are settling wilderness.

My ancestors "settled" on land (wilderness?) that was not yet occupied by a European.  That was in the early 1900s. Hardly fits the definition DG provided.

I think it does. Your ancestors, like mine, were extending civilized society.*

*From their own colonialist perspective, obviously.

[Jacob]

I think there can be a clear delineation.  Settlers go into wilderness to establish organized society, immigrants join the established society.

I think the key function of settlers in the North American context was to perform ethnic cleansing. The "wilderness" is a post-fact rationalization.

[Admiral Yi]

I think the key function of settlers in the North American context was to perform ethnic cleansing. The "wilderness" is a post-fact rationalization.

The author of 1492 made the claim that when western settlers arrived large portions of North America were uninhabited because of diseases.

[HVC]

I think the key function of settlers in the North American context was to perform ethnic cleansing. The "wilderness" is a post-fact rationalization.

The author of 1492 made the claim that when western settlers arrived large portions of North America were uninhabited because of diseases.

But they also didn't mind "uninhabiting" areas that still had populations.