Quo Vadis GOP?

[The Brain]

Well as long as Republicans feel that way about election results at least they're not in power.

[The Minsky Moment]

It is. Except that cult is now a leading party in the US, and controls many of its powerful government and institutions.

I am increasingly convinced that this is going the way of the school shootings: seen as an intractable problem, for which nothing can be done, only elicit shrugs. A part of life in the US.

No people are not shrugging about this.

The problem, however, will continue, as long as rich and powerful people in America keep deciding that their tax breaks are more important than their country.

This started under Reagan, when his people ran an insane rogue operation to sell guns to the Ayatollah to raise money so they could send other guns to a bunch of thugs in Latin America, all in violation of federal law.  And the rich and powerful said - yeah, but I got my tax break. Under GW Bush, Rumsfeld ran rampant and had his people busy torturing folks all over the world and writing memos about why torture was really a good thing.  And the rich and powerful said, - yeah but I got my tax break.

Then Trump became President. And a few rich and powerful people finally broke.  Unfortunately they were mostly limited to the people that served in Trump's cabinet and couldn't fool themselves anymore about what was going on.  But much of the rest put their hands over their ears, shouted la-la-la and grinned a big smile as the tax breaks came in.

But now that the GOP has become an insurrectionary party, surely the rich and powerful will jump ship, before these loons carry out their own QAnon Qristallnacht?  Nope.  Last week some of the big corporate PACs quietly resumed donations to people who rejected the election results.

This ends when corporate America rejects the  "better Hitler than Blum" mentality and cuts off the GOP entirely, forcing the leadership that allegedly knows better (eg McConnell) to choose the pain of facing angry primary voters over contesting general elections without a pot to piss in. If that means running some open primaries for a while then so be it.  But that isn't happening; corporate America is still under the delusion they can ride this giant crazed tiger indefinitely without consequence.

[Oexmelin]

I guess if the rich and powerful have decided...

[The Minsky Moment]

I guess if the rich and powerful have decided...

The university professors fought back valiantly, and yet without effect, to no one's surprise.

[Oexmelin]

Flippant, cheap response, but okay. Waiting for the rich and powerful to do something sounds very much like shrugging to me. That being said, I get the feeling it's your crowd? But maybe you are out there organizing and mobilizing, what do I know?

I know I sound like a broken record, but the US is facing a monumental crisis, and the stakes are super high. The collective answer by Americans I know really doesn't seem up to the challenge. People seem to be waiting for things to sort themselves out. Maybe throw in an additional bit of cash to their favorite candidate. Wait for the vote, and hope.

And yeah, since you snickered, I include most university professors in this - unsurprisingly, since it's my crowd. Many confuse holding the right opinions for activism. To be perfectly candid, I felt my actions were indeed out of step with those of most of my colleagues, and I felt I was lacking the "keys" to do more. American universities are never truly part of the communities they exist in. Most profs are from elsewhere, and the university ethos - the Ivory Tower people so enjoy mocking - doesn't encourage one to venture far beyond campus, happy to leave such matters to the administration, whose stance is that of property owner, investor, and tax evader.

Part of the reason I decided to GTFO. I would be really happy to be proven wrong. There are some encouraging signs. But they are very timid.

[HisMajestyBOB]

  But that isn't happening; corporate America is still under the delusion they can ride this giant crazed tiger indefinitely without consequence.

And some is perfectly happy with the new GOP direction: the Mercers, Roger Stone, the Hobby Lobby owners, etc.

[Eddie Teach]

The behemoth Hobby Lobby. 

I think there are always outliers, but the corporate response is generally guarded.

[jimmy olsen]

The behemoth Hobby Lobby. 

I think there are always outliers, but the corporate response is generally guarded.

They just got busted by the DOJ for having a stolen original copy of the Epic of Gilgamesh

[Razgovory]

I'm going to see my doctor next week and I'll be asking if I can change my anti-psychotic medications.  The meds are just not cutting it anymore and as a result I'm seeing all kinds of weird shit.  You guys wouldn't believe what I thought Oex and Shelf posted.  Something about how a father came to believe his teenage son who survived a school shooting was a crisis actor.  So either I'm barking mad or everyone else is.

[The Minsky Moment]

Flippant, cheap response, but okay. Waiting for the rich and powerful to do something sounds very much like shrugging to me. That being said, I get the feeling it's your crowd? But maybe you are out there organizing and mobilizing, what do I know?

Organizing what?  Bergen County?  The tri-state area?  The problem doesn't lie there.  You might as well ask why the ordinary citizens of Bridgeport, CT in 1858 failed to convince southern planters of the virtues of abolition. It wasn't for lack of organization,

You know America is federal.  Sure I and others in "my crowd" have volunteered for election protection efforts in Florida and other vulnerable states in the past.  But as you point out in the other thread, the threat now goes well beyond what such measures can remedy.

Because of the nature of my profession, I've spent a decent amount of time in red states.  Since I'd like to think of myself as a persuasive and friendly person, if I had a few days to spend and nowhere else to be, I'd guess I'd have a decent chance of convincing one person to reconsider their views.  But realistically even that would likely be fruitless because the opinions of some northeastern pointy-head stranger aren't going to overcome the entrenched groupthink reinforced by close-by friends, family, and neighbors, all reinforced by an exclusionary sense of cultural identity.  Just look at your earlier post about a father choosing his deranged cult over his own son.  This is a sickness that discourse cannot easily cure.

If I focus on the rich and powerful it is for two very good reasons.  First, that in America money is the fuel that powers all political and cultural phenomena. When the money flows, the movement grows.  Cut if off and it struggles.  Big surprise, it turns out the rich and powerful have just a teensy weensy effect over flows of money.

Second - yes it is true that in my line of work I am more likely to come into regular contact with educated, rich and/or powerful Trump supporters than others.  You work with the material you have to work with.

[The Minsky Moment]

Yeah - I don't really know how a country recovers from this:

The two silver linings are that the minority of (1/3) of GOP voters that reject the madness haven't budged despite facing enormous pressure and propaganda, and the minority of self-identified independents that entertain such theories has materially decreased as well

So in theory if the GOP doubles down on insurrectionism, they should be losing lots of elections.  Of course, since pro-insurrectionists now control electoral mechanisms in many states, they may be able to maintain control no matter how many elections they lose.  But the consolation will be the sad and serene expression of resignation on Justice Roberts face as he reluctantly rubber stamps the next voting rights outrage, because losing democracy is a fair price to pay to make sure the rascally lefties won't go around doing radical things like enforcing the 14th and 15th amendments as written and intended.

[Sheilbh]

I endorse the recommendation of Know Your Enemy here - they're particularly good on the sort of two way pipeline on the right of young talent but also of the links between the intellectual bodies of the US right and "movement conservatism". It's that latter pipeline that makes this interesting and striking - it's part of a wider trend of the move from the US right of representing the "silent majority" and speaking up for a "moral majority" to acknowledging that given changes in society they will have to govern as a moral minority instead and starting to work through the implications of that:

The intellectual right contemplates an 'American Caesar'
Jan. 6 was a badly planned rehearsal for the real deal
Damon Linker
July 28, 2021

How does ideological change happen? Why do certain political ideas and possibilities that appear outrageous and even unthinkable at one moment in history come to be considered options worth taking seriously? What causes the Overton window to shift dramatically in one direction or another?

The answer has something to do with the dynamics of partisan coalitions. To cite a fairly anodyne example, Ronald Reagan took over the Republican Party in 1980 by expanding the GOP's appeal to the right as well as to the center-left. Those who supported Gerald Ford in 1976 were joined by conservative activists who had passionately favored Barry Goldwater in 1964, right-wing populists in the South and Midwest who had cast ballots for George Wallace in 1968, and the more moderate voters across the country who came to be called "Reagan Democrats." The result was broad-based support for deep tax cuts, sharply increased defense spending, and amped up confrontation with the Soviet Union — a synthesis of positions that seemed to be a non-starter just a few years earlier but which, thanks to Reagan's political skills and their intersection with contingent changes in political culture, became a stable ideological and electoral configuration of the GOP for the next 36 years.

The GOP has shed a lot of voters (as a share of the electorate) since its high-water mark in 1984. But with the rise of Donald Trump, the shape of the party's coalition also began to change. Some of the shift has been class-based, with white and Latino voters lacking a college degree flocking to the Republican Party and highly educated urban and suburban voters fleeing it.

But Trump also actively courted the right-wing fringe — the militia movement, quasi-paramilitary groups like the Proud Boys, neo-Nazis, overt racists, and outright xenophobes. These voters are a tiny portion of the party, but they punch above their weight, as we learned on Jan. 6, when a small handful of these extremists took the lead in initiating the mayhem and violence on Capitol Hill that afternoon while most of the intruders simply followed along rather cluelessly. (This point, along with much else in this column, is elaborated with depth and insight in the "Aftermath of January 6th" episode of the consistently excellent Know Your Enemy podcast.) 

With most Republican officeholders and media personalities refusing to condemn the actions of the insurrectionary mob that invaded the Capitol to stop congressional certification of the 2020 election results — or Trump's decisive role in inciting that mob — and some of them instead endorsing an evidence-free conspiracy involving the "deep state" and the FBI, the GOP has verified that the Overton window has shifted sharply to the right. What would have until quite recently been considered unacceptable forms of political dissent have been legitimized. That's how the once unthinkable becomes a new normal.

A parallel process of line-shifting has been unfolding among conservative intellectuals, most of whom responded to the launch of Trump's presidential campaign six years ago with a mixture of disgust and incredulity. The dismissal didn't last. While many shifted to the center and refused to endorse Trump's hostile takeover of the party, plenty of others went along with it, adjusting their prior positions to bring them into alignment with the nominee on policy and attitude. No commentator did so with more enthusiasm or popular impact than Michael Anton.

A former director of communications for New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (where he was briefly my boss) and former speechwriter for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Anton penned the most notorious and rhetorically scalding case for supporting Trump. Published in early September 2016 in the Claremont Review of Books online, "The Flight 93 Election" portrayed Trump as a final, last-ditch opportunity for conservatives to wrest control of the country back from those (like Hillary Clinton) who aimed at nothing less than its thoroughgoing destruction. Rush Limbaugh paid tribute to the power of the argument (and amplified it for a vastly larger audience) by reading the essay aloud, paragraph by paragraph, on his radio show. In doing so, Anton, with Limbaugh's help, gave legions of Trump-skeptical conservatives permission to vote, even to express outright enthusiasm, for the untested right-wing populist.

After Trump's victory, Anton went on to serve the new president on the National Security Council. That lasted a little more than a year. Once he had left the White House, Anton returned to writing and speaking publicly in defense of Trump and in favor of his re-election. Two months before the 2020 vote, he predicted an attempted "coup" from the left if Democrat Joe Biden didn't prevail. When events unfolded in precisely the opposite way — with Trump losing the vote, refusing to accept the result, and attempting a hapless coup of his own to stay in power — Anton said nothing to acknowledge either the irony or the error. Quite the opposite, in fact. In the months since Trump left office, Anton has been doing his best to throw open the doors of the conservative intellectual world to ideas once considered far too extreme for American politics.

How extreme? So extreme that in late May, Anton set aside nearly two hours on his Claremont Institute podcast ("The Stakes") for an erudite, wide-ranging discussion with self-described monarchist Curtis Yarvin about why the United States needs an "American Caesar" to seize control of the federal government, and precisely how such a would-be dictator could accomplish the task.

With this conversation, Anton seems eager to shift the Overton window far beyond anything resembling liberal democracy. In its place, he would substitute an elaborate, historically and philosophically sophisticated justification for tyranny.

It's important right at the outset to make a few things clear about the Anton-Yarvin conversation. First, Anton doesn't explicitly endorse Yarvin's most outlandish ideas, which blend a far-right love of unlimited executive power with the techno-utopianism of Silicon Valley. (Yarvin created the Urbit digital platform and co-founded the tech company Tion, while also gaining considerable notoriety with the alt-right blog "Unqualified Reservations," written under the pen name Mencius Moldbug.) In fact, at several points Anton goes out of his way to declare in a tone of mock seriousness that as someone affiliated with the Claremont Institute, which has long advocated for a return to the principles of the American founding (including the Declaration of Independence's denunciations of monarchical tyranny), he can't stand behind Yarvin's sympathy for dictatorship. Yet it's also true that at no point does Anton offer a substantive critique of Yarvin's arguments and assertions. He merely expresses pragmatic or tactical objections, as if the primary fault in Yarvin's ideas is that they are unrealistic.

Then there's the matter of terminology. I have described Anton's conversation with Yarvin as helping to shift the Overton window away from liberal democracy and toward a defense of tyranny. Yet this isn't how either man understands the American present. Rather, they agree early on in the podcast (around minute 24) that the current American "regime" is most accurately described as a "theocratic oligarchy" in which an elite class of progressive "priests" ensconced in the bureaucracies of the administrative state, and at Harvard, The New York Times, and other leading institutions of civil society, promulgate and enforce their own version of "reality." Anton and Yarvin treat this assertion as given and then proceed to talk through how this theocratic oligarchy might be overturned. (One of their substantive disagreements concerns how long this regime might last if it's not directly challenged. Anton is hopeful it will collapse of its own incompetence and corruption, while Yarvin thinks the current "clown world" could continue onward for decades or even a century, with the United States slowly decaying into something resembling a Third World country.)

Once the conversation really gets going (around minute 45), Yarvin makes clear that he has a highly idiosyncratic take on American history. In his view, roughly every 75 years, a "Caesar" seizes dictatorial powers and institutes "substantive regime changes." George Washington did this in 1789. Abraham Lincoln did it again in 1861. And FDR did it last in 1933, speaking in the closing passages of his First Inaugural Address about the national emergency of the Great Depression and the need to wield unprecedented government power to combat it, which he did with the New Deal. The U.S. today is overdue for its next political transformation — one that would settle the country's "cold civil war" from above.

Yarvin's top choice to become the next American Caesar is Elon Musk, though both men acknowledge that he's constitutionally ineligible for the role because he was born in South Africa. This provides an occasion for them both to joke about how great it would be for him to run, win, and demand to be made president anyway, in defiance of the Constitution. (Anton makes sure to clarify that their jovial chit-chat about flagrantly disregarding the letter of the Constitution is "not an endorsement" of actually doing so. Later on, they likewise joke about how great it would have been for Trump to declare himself the personal embodiment of the "living Constitution.")

But what exactly is Yarvin proposing and Anton entertaining here? Is it nothing more ominous than a New Deal from the right? As the conversation unfolds further, beginning around an hour and twenty minutes into the podcast, it becomes clear that Yarvin has something much more radical in mind (even if his peculiar constellation of assumptions prevent him from recognizing just how extreme it is).

The trick, for Yarvin, is for the would-be American Caesar to exercise emergency powers from day one. How? Caesar should run for president promising to do precisely this, and then announce the national emergency in his inaugural address, encouraging every state government to do the same. Taking advantages of "ambiguities" in the Constitution, he will immediately act to federalize the national guard around the country and welcome backup from sympathetic members of the police (who will wear armbands to signal their support for Caesar).

When federal agencies refuse to go along, Yarvin suggests, Caesar (whom he now begins referring to as "Trump") will use a "Trump app" to communicate directly with his 80 million supporters on their smart phones, using notifications to tell them that "this agency isn't following my instructions," which will prompt them to rally at the proper building, with the crowd "steered around by a joystick by Trump himself," forming a "human barricade around every federal building, supporting Trump's lawful authority." Where maybe 20,000 people stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, millions responding to the Trump app would be much more effective — a modern-day version of the paramilitary groups that ensured Lincoln's safety during the hard-fought, dangerous 1860 campaign for president that preceded the Civil War (and the president's subsequent suspension of habeas corpus and shuttering of hundreds of newspapers). 

When Anton asks how Trump-Caesar should respond to Harvard, The New York Times, and the rest of the theocratic oligarchy blaring air-raid sirens about the imposition of dictatorship, Yarvin indicates that it would be essential to "smash it" with one blow. To suggest that Caesar should be required to deal with "someone else's department of reality is manifestly absurd." Going on, Yarvin explains that "when Caesar crosses the Rubicon, he doesn't sit around getting his feet wet, fishing. He marches straight across the Rubicon" and uses "all force available." Once that happens, the whole world can be "remade."

The podcast concludes with Anton quoting another Claremont writer (Angelo Codevilla) on how Trump dropped "the leadership of the deplorables," which is waiting to be picked up by someone "who will make Trump seem moderate." Yarvin responds approvingly with a quote by Serbian dictator and indicted genocidal war criminal Slobodan Milošević, who said the goal should be that "no one will dare to beat you anymore."

Defenders of Anton, Yarvin, and the Claremont Institute will say that this thoroughly appalling discussion was just that — some casual talk, idle musings, a fantasy disconnected from reality. Yet fantasies are outgrowths of our imaginations and hopes, and they help set our expectations, including our conception of what is possible and desirable in politics.

The indisputable fact is that a leading and longstanding conservative institute in the United States hosts a podcast by someone who served as a senior official in the presidential administration of a man who may run again for the nation's highest office in a few years. And on an episode of that podcast, this former official and his invited guest genially rehearsed arguments about why a future president would be justified in turning himself into a tyrant, and how he could set about accomplishing this task.

Which means that on the starboard side of American politics, the Overton window has now shifted far beyond the boundaries of democratic self-government to a place broadly coterminous with fascism.

[The Brain]

I think it's possible but unlikely that the US will go Fascist. I think a garden-variety right-wing dictatorship is more likely.

[viper37]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1419283662022090755

[Razgovory]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liuSbrghzmk