Quo Vadis GOP?

[Valmy]

I assume the curriculum won't include:

Why not? That was not written in 1836.

The declaration of secession will be in there along with Sam Houston's, the True Texan(tm), principled stand against it. You got to  know how we spin things.

The weird thing is is that WE ALREADY HAVE THESE EXACT STANDARDS ALREADY. They just want to pass more laws saying the same shit to please the culture warriors.

[Oexmelin]

But my understanding is the 1619 thing is not the best history anyway.

There are things to nitpick about it, to be sure. And it's possible to actually have a relly interesting conversation on American history from it.

But that's not really what it's about. It's about empowering state legislatures to fully participate in retaliatory politics against teachers, while scoring points with voters who know nothing about the 1619 project or "critical race theory" besides what FoxNews has fed them ("Marxist propaganda", "hateful communist indoctrination"). As I have heard, and read, the only thing that kids should be taught is how the US has been, is, and will be, the greatest country on Earth. Oh, and also, that Democrats are historically the party of racism, KKK and corruption. Oh, and by the way, why don't we have a white history month?

[Valmy]

But my understanding is the 1619 thing is not the best history anyway.

There are things to nitpick about it, to be sure. And it's possible to actually have a relly interesting conversation on American history from it.

But that's not really what it's about. It's about empowering state legislatures to fully participate in retaliatory politics against teachers, while scoring points with voters who know nothing about the 1619 project or "critical race theory" besides what FoxNews has fed them ("Marxist propaganda", "hateful communist indoctrination"). As I have heard, and read, the only thing that kids should be taught is how the US has been, is, and will be, the greatest country on Earth. Oh, and also, that Democrats are historically the party of racism, KKK and corruption. Oh, and by the way, why don't we have a white history month?

Right it is culture wars all the time. Local government control? Communities making their own decisions? No. Big government will make sure they make the correct decisions. It is the Trump Republican Party.

[Berkut]

But my understanding is the 1619 thing is not the best history anyway.

There are things to nitpick about it, to be sure. And it's possible to actually have a relly interesting conversation on American history from it.

But that's not really what it's about. It's about empowering state legislatures to fully participate in retaliatory politics against teachers, while scoring points with voters who know nothing about the 1619 project or "critical race theory" besides what FoxNews has fed them ("Marxist propaganda", "hateful communist indoctrination"). As I have heard, and read, the only thing that kids should be taught is how the US has been, is, and will be, the greatest country on Earth. Oh, and also, that Democrats are historically the party of racism, KKK and corruption. Oh, and by the way, why don't we have a white history month?

Right it is culture wars all the time. Local government control? Communities making their own decisions? No. Big government will make sure they make the correct decisions. It is the Trump Republican Party.

I am not sure I am all that keen on local goverment control.

In most places in the US, they are fucking nuts. And the more nuts they are, the more willing they are to put in the energy to dominate local politics.

[Habbaku]

I think Valmy's point is that they're being hypocrites on the issue. The GOP used to go on and on about state's rahhts, federalism, local control, etc., and now just runs roughshod over it. Big government conservatism in service to the culture war is the name of the game now.

[Berkut]

I think Valmy's point is that they're being hypocrites on the issue. The GOP used to go on and on about state's rahhts, federalism, local control, etc., and now just runs roughshod over it. Big government conservatism in service to the culture war is the name of the game now.

Oh, right. Yeah, I see what you (and Valmy) mean. Sorry Valmy!

[ulmont]

I think Valmy's point is that they're being hypocrites on the issue. The GOP used to go on and on about state's rahhts, federalism, local control, etc., and now just runs roughshod over it. Big government conservatism in service to the culture war is the name of the game now.

It always was.  Local control went out the window in Georgia in November 2002, for example.

[The Minsky Moment]

But my understanding is the 1619 thing is not the best history anyway.

When you see something like:
"In Florida, the teaching of history "may not define American history as something other than the creation of a new nation based largely on the universal principles states in the Declaration of Independance" --  It's pretty clear the issue is not about the "best history".

Personal irony: I actually believe that a certain degree of patriotic historical education is desirable in primary school.  But patriotic doesn't have to mean completely uncritical. 

[grumbler]

But my understanding is the 1619 thing is not the best history anyway.

When you see something like:
"In Florida, the teaching of history "may not define American history as something other than the creation of a new nation based largely on the universal principles states in the Declaration of Independance" --  It's pretty clear the issue is not about the "best history".

Personal irony: I actually believe that a certain degree of patriotic historical education is desirable in primary school.  But patriotic doesn't have to mean completely uncritical.

Exactly.  I wouldn't build an entire curriculum around the 1619  Project or A People's History of the United States, but they are great for showing that there are valid alternative viewpoints on many of the most important issues in US history.   Students can't really understand an issue unless they have to reach conclusions about it.

[Sheilbh]

I am very impressed with the American education system if you were until now teaching 8 year old Frantz Fanon

[alfred russel]

But my understanding is the 1619 thing is not the best history anyway.

When you see something like:
"In Florida, the teaching of history "may not define American history as something other than the creation of a new nation based largely on the universal principles states in the Declaration of Independance" --  It's pretty clear the issue is not about the "best history".

Personal irony: I actually believe that a certain degree of patriotic historical education is desirable in primary school.  But patriotic doesn't have to mean completely uncritical.

The history of african slavery in Florida goes back further than 1619. That is probably what republicans are upset about.

[Syt]

From an interview with Moscow Mitch.

[Oexmelin]

Gov. Mike Parson signed legislation Saturday that invalidates federal gun laws in Missouri.

Missouri law enforcement officials no longer have to execute federal gun laws.

Missouri law enforcement officials no longer have to execute federal gun laws.

Missouri Gov. Mike Parson signed a bill Saturday that declares all federal gun laws past, present and future must be invalid in the state.This includes taxing, tracking and registration of weapons.

The bill is called the "Second Amendment Preservation Act."

He signed the bill in front of a large crowd inside Frontier Justice, a gun store and shooting range in Lee's Summit.

Parson, a former sheriff, said the purpose of this legislation is to stand up to the federal government.

"We're going to do things to make sure you don't overreach your authority from the federal government," he said, while seated at a desk in front of a large display of firearms.

The bill would bar local police from assisting federal agents in enforcing federal laws. And it allows for a $50,000 lawsuit against anyone who knowingly acts under any federal or state law to deprive a Missouri citizen of their Second Amendment rights.

Response to the signing was swift Saturday.

The Missouri chapters of Moms Demand Action and Students Demand Action immediately released a statement condemning the bill.

"We are frustrated and disappointed that Governor Parson signed a dangerous bill into law today that ties the hands of law enforcement officers while Missouri is facing one of the worst gun violence epidemics in the country," said retired Sheriff Rick Walter, a volunteer with the Missouri chapter of Moms Demand Action.

Missouri House Minority Leader Crystal Quade, a Democrat from Springfield, called the bill a "radical, dangerous and obviously unconstitutional attempt to declare that Missouri will refuse to follow federal gun laws."

According to the Giffords Law Center, 20 out of every 100,000 people in Missouri die from gun violence. The average gun death rate in the country is 12 per 100,000. And Missouri ranks among the 10 worst states for gun deaths, according to the Giffords Law Center.

"When people are looking for real solutions on crime, policing and public safety, Governor Parson and the Republican legislature have instead chosen to preserve Missouri's growing reputation for extremist and dangerous laws," Quade said in a statement.

The Republican sponsor of the bill, Jered Taylor of Christian County, called it the strongest Second Amendment bill in the country. He said the bill was in response to federal overreach and likened the bill to how other states get around federal laws.

"The feds use us," he said. "They rely on us to enforce their laws. Look at medical marijuana in the state of Missouri — this is exactly what we do with that. It's exactly what sanctuary cities use."

Parson signed the bill in front of a crowd of supporters and was backed by several legislators who had a hand in crafting the bill and moving it through the legislature.

https://www.kcur.org/news/2021-06-12/missouri-law-enforcement-no-longer-required-to-enforce-federal-gun-laws?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR1YDv0izZmOHaIb-lKFOaehdyuVq_eLy_TfBy5wOLiq6F8T9ldd_opnhLU

[The Minsky Moment]

The Republican sponsor of the bill, Jered Taylor of Christian County, called it the strongest Second Amendment bill in the country. He said the bill was in response to federal overreach and likened the bill to how other states get around federal laws.

"The feds use us," he said. "They rely on us to enforce their laws. Look at medical marijuana in the state of Missouri — this is exactly what we do with that. It's exactly what sanctuary cities use."

That's a grotesque lie.  This law doesn't merely limit the degree of affirmative cooperation of local law enforcement as occurs in state pot laws or "sanctuary city" policies.  It declares federal laws to be invalid and imposes harsh sanctions on anyone who follows the law.  Last time states tried to pull something like this it ended with Sherman burning half the South.

[Valmy]

I was about to say, simply not enforcing federal laws is not new.