What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

What a shocker!

The one that matters is Ireland.  There whole economic miracle is based on low corporate tax.

Although, as The Economist pointed out, at 12.5% the proposed minimum is so low as to be almost meaningless.

[Sheilbh]

The proposed minimum is 21%

[Admiral Yi]

I have different information. 

[Admiral Yi]

Mega quick googlify suggests Yellin just proposed 21% yesterday.

[DGuller]

If enough countries get in on the compact, then can't they just strangle the tax havens (even as big as Ireland) with regulation?  For example, if your company is "headquartered" on a patch of sand off of the bigger patch of sand off of the Isle of Man, you're free to conduct business on that patch of sand or in other countries outside of that compact, but you'll need to work out an arrangement with a compact country before you can do business there.

[alfred russel]

Mega quick googlify suggests Yellin just proposed 21% yesterday.

Which is the current rate in the US. 

[crazy canuck]

I have different information. 

That is what you get for relying on information that is at least a week late.

[DGuller]

Good interview with James Carville on wokeness: https://www.vox.com/22338417/james-carville-democratic-party-biden-100-days.  When woke people ask why the left can't win when obviously the left's ideas are generally popular, the answer is usually a mirror away.

[Zoupa]

  ad nauseam infinitum

[Berkut]

ad nauseam infinitum

You know what's funny? You were JUST SAYING that the Dems have to fight dirty and get better at messaging. Which is EXACTLY what Carville is saying. Hell, almost word for word:

And look, part of the problem is that lots of Democrats will say that we have to listen to everybody and we have to include every perspective, or that we don't have to run a ruthless messaging campaign. Well, you kinda do. It really matters.

I always tell people that we've got to stop speaking Hebrew and start speaking Yiddish. We have to speak the way regular people speak, the way voters speak. It ain't complicated. That's how you connect and persuade.

It's funny how people want what they want, and then when someone tries to give it to them, its all "OH WAIT! I didn't mean ME! *I* don't need to change! It's all those other dumbasses!"

[Berkut]

Shit, I challenge someone to read what Carville says and honestly find fault in it.

Take someone like Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She's obviously very bright. She knows how to draw a headline. In my opinion, some of her political aspirations are impractical and probably not going to happen. But that's probably the worst thing that you can say about her.

Now take someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene, the new Republican congresswoman from Georgia. She's absolutely loonier than a tune. We all know it. And yet, for some reason, the Democrats pay a bigger political price for AOC than Republicans pay for Greene. That's the problem in a nutshell. And it's ridiculous because AOC and Greene are not comparable in any way.

Right, but we can't say, "Republicans are going to call us socialists no matter what, so let's just run as out-and-out socialists." That's not the smartest thing to do. And maybe tweeting that we should abolish the police isn't the smartest thing to do because almost fucking no one wants to do that.

Here's the deal: No matter how you look at the map, the only way Democrats can hold power is to build on their coalition, and that will have to include more rural white voters from across the country. Democrats are never going to win a majority of these voters. That's the reality. But the difference between getting beat 80 to 20 and 72 to 28 is all the difference in the world.

So they just have to lose by less — that's all.

Here is the tweet he is talking about:

Rashida Tlaib
@RashidaTlaib
·
Apr 12
It wasn't an accident. Policing in our country is inherently & intentionally racist.

Daunte Wright was met with aggression & violence. I am done with those who condone government funded murder.

No more policing, incarceration, and militarization. It can't be reformed.

He is absolutely right.

This is a great example of what I think the Dems ought to be doing when it comes to playing mean (rather then dirty):

Yeah, that's a problem. We can only do what we can do. People always say to me, "Why don't Democrats just lie like Republicans?" Because if they did, our voters wouldn't stand for it. But I'm not saying we need to lie like they do. I'm saying, why not go after Gaetz and Jordan and link them to Hastert and the Republican Party over and over and over again? We have to take these small opportunities to define ourselves and the other side every damn time. And we don't do it. We just don't do it.

This is exactly what DG was saying. The Left can't get away with just lying all the time like the right does. But they can get nastier, and they can also get their message under more control. "No more policing" does not win a single vote.

[Valmy]

I mean you are not going to win those rural white voters, struggling under economic problems that are devastating the rural areas of this country, without promising government action to assist them. Otherwise they are just going to vote on culture war issues. So I don't really get the avoid socialism thing...granted what exactly Carville means by socialism there is not clear. Promising the stimulus checks won Georgia.

I do agree that the main way we lose is by doing the toxic culture war stuff and since now the Republicans do it non-stop it is a good time to show the working class people what the Democrats can do for them, because the Republicans are all about doing jack shit right now.

[Eddie Teach]

I think he meant the messaging. American voters like social programs, but not the word socialism.

[Berkut]

I think he meant the messaging. American voters like social programs, but not the word socialism.

Indeed.

And if the Republicans are going to go around bleating about socialists everywhere because there are a lot of Americans who like social programs, but don't like "socialism", then why insist on helping them stick you with a politically damaging label? If most Americans are in favor of most of the actual policies that sane progressives lump under the term "defund the police", but lots of Americans think "defund the police" means, you know, removing funding from the police, and not at all what YOU mean by the term....then stop using the fucking term. And tell dumbshits who say stuff like "No more policing!" to STFU. Who are you freaking signalling with that crap? Who is going to respond positively to that message who wasn't voting for you already? Nobody. Who are you going to turn off with that? The very people you need to swing over to your side to overcome the GOP minority rule.

[Admiral Yi]

It would be cool if people could opt out of police protection.