US Election Week 2020

[Barrister]

The ones who are left are I think either true believers, or as you say looking to seize the mantle of Trumpism. I'm intrigued by Cotton's absence - it's not related but it feels like, if one of the Trump family don't run, that there may be a split with a sort of national security/law and order Trumpism by Cotton v economic Trumpism by Hawley (I suspect Cruz will be profoundly disappointed, again ).

I always wonder about primaries - how many successful primaries of sitting Senators have there actually been in recent years? I can think of maybe one or two that I'm aware of. I always wonder how much the threat of primaries are a real motivation and how much they're just a cover for sticking with the party herd.

I think Cotton (who has stuck close to Trump for awhile now) is just making a political calculation - that in the longer run it'll be more dangerous to be seen to be taking such a nakedly anti-democratic move, and thus it's time to create some separation.  Plus as you say the 100% Trumpist lane is kind of crowded by either Trump himself or his spawn.

Or who knows - maybe his conscience made him do it.  Stranger things have happened in politics.

The primary concern is much higher in the house IIRC.

[The Brain]

What I don't get is why so many Republicans (and I mean politicians) continue to support Trump. It's obvious he has no loyalty; not to the party, not to its members, but only to himself.

If only the question contained the answer.

[alfred russel]

Still looks kinda close

It is close, but the votes that are outstanding come from Democratic strongholds. It's over, and Georgia now gets to stop being a retard state.

Bizarrely the republicans continue to win all the state government positions. There were 3 statewide elections yesterday: 2 senate and 1 public service commissioner (whatever that is), and the republican won the public service commissioner.

2022 governor and senate elections will be interesting. The state is obviously way more moderate than it was, but Kemp became governor by being the extreme trumpist in the republican primary and now he is probably going to be facing a serious primary challenge by a more committed trumpist.

[Solmyr]

It will be interesting to see how the voters of Georgia treat the current governor, lt. governor and secretary of state in the next election.  Or any state with a Republican executive that Biden won.

You mean the secretary of state who could not find 11780 votes for Donald?

[Valmy]

Without Trump and Mitch around to fuck the Republicans up, and without two incredibly corrupt and shitty candidates like Loeffler and Perdue, you have to think the Democrats will have a harder time of it in Georgia in 2022.

But I guess if the Georgia Republicans fire Kemp for being too sane and moderate anything can happen.

[Barrister]

Without Trump and Mitch around to fuck the Republicans up, and without two incredibly corrupt and shitty candidates like Loeffler and Perdue, you have to think the Democrats will have a harder time of it in Georgia in 2022.

But I guess if the Georgia Republicans fire Kemp for being too sane and moderate anything can happen.

Okay, the obvious disclaimer about taking political punditry from a Canucklehead who has never been to Georgia:

I think it's entirely up to the GOP what happens in 2022.  The usual winds in an off-year election blow towards the party out of power, but yeah if Kemp is successfully primaried by someone even more Trumpist then have to like the Dems chances.

On the other hand an unsuccessful primary challenge could make Kemp seem more centrist.

I have to think Raffensberger is a dead man walking (not literally).  God Bless that man for his service to his country though.

[Caliga]

Without Trump and Mitch around to fuck the Republicans up, and without two incredibly corrupt and shitty candidates like Loeffler and Perdue, you have to think the Democrats will have a harder time of it in Georgia in 2022.

But I guess if the Georgia Republicans fire Kemp for being too sane and moderate anything can happen.

I totally get your comment about Loeffler, but was Perdue that bad?  I am not challenging you, I just honestly do not know that much about the guy.

[alfred russel]

Without Trump and Mitch around to fuck the Republicans up, and without two incredibly corrupt and shitty candidates like Loeffler and Perdue, you have to think the Democrats will have a harder time of it in Georgia in 2022.

But I guess if the Georgia Republicans fire Kemp for being too sane and moderate anything can happen.

Ossoff was a really shitty candidate too.

Black turnout is something like 30% of Georgia and 90+% democrat so turnout of black voters is a huge factor, and in 2022 you will *probably* have Abrams running for governor and Warnock running for reelection. Kemp has badly alienated Trump (who wants him jailed) and the left is pissed at him for theoretically stealing the 2018 election and for having the Trumpiest covid response. 2 years is a lifetime from now but I think I'd bet on the democrats right now.

[alfred russel]

I totally get your comment about Loeffler, but was Perdue that bad?  I am not challenging you, I just honestly do not know that much about the guy.

Perdue was a much stronger candidate but the trading of stocks after the covid briefing was poison. If that hadn't happened, he probably would have won.

Loeffler was a terrible candidate, but the fault there is probably Kemp for appointing her (the idea being that she was a more moderate person prior to appointment, and a female, which would presumably would help Kemp as they would be running on the same ticket for reelection in 2022--which is the thinking of why he appointed her).

But she got a "mainstream" Trumpist primary challenger, and as the very wealthy wife of the chairman of the New York Stock Exchange who was born in Illinois and a current WNBA owner, she really had no way to win without going full Trumpist. She got through the primary and probably could have gotten through the general election had Trump not pushed matters with "election fraud". That she also had a stock trading scandal was 100% her fault.

[Solmyr]

Apparently you have protestors storming the Capitol now: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1346899564561891332/pu/vid/720x1280/zHkPWhGazXVJt1Tk.mp4

Funny how there seems to be nobody except Capitol police there, they only just now asked for assistance from DC metropolitan police. If this were blacks protesting for BLM, bullets would already be flying.

[Caliga]

Perdue was a much stronger candidate but the trading of stocks after the covid briefing was poison. If that hadn't happened, he probably would have won.

I thought it was Loeffler who got busted for doing the shady trades (or did they both get busted for that)?

[The Larch]

Apparently you have protestors storming the Capitol now: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1346899564561891332/pu/vid/720x1280/zHkPWhGazXVJt1Tk.mp4

Funny how there seems to be nobody except Capitol police there, they only just now asked for assistance from DC metropolitan police. If this were blacks protesting for BLM, bullets would already be flying.

If they were blacks the scene would look like the Cossacks descending on the Odessa steps.

[alfred russel]

Perdue was a much stronger candidate but the trading of stocks after the covid briefing was poison. If that hadn't happened, he probably would have won.

I thought it was Loeffler who got busted for doing the shady trades (or did they both get busted for that)?

They both did. 

[HisMajestyBOB]

Apparently you have protestors storming the Capitol now: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1346899564561891332/pu/vid/720x1280/zHkPWhGazXVJt1Tk.mp4

Funny how there seems to be nobody except Capitol police there, they only just now asked for assistance from DC metropolitan police. If this were blacks protesting for BLM, bullets would already be flying.

If they were blacks the scene would look like the Cossacks descending on the Odessa steps.

[Maladict]

Jesus Christ what a mess