US Election Week 2020

[DGuller]

I am curious how everyone has called arizona already. Things aren't looking good there.

That Fox guy must be shitting himself, even though it wasn't his fault.

It wasn't his fault for the initial call, but it's his fault for not retracting.

[katmai]

What legal argument did Trump win re:Pennsylvania. I see him tweeting some shit about that.

first mistake is reading Trump tweets. To my knowledge nothing has happened legally in PA TODAY

[Josquius]

I will say with minority vote, while I kind of casually just chalked up a lot of the Obama coalition to his charisma, it should be noted Obama had the largest scale, most pervasive, community level GOTV effort in high minority % urban areas. Hillary didn't bother to even try replicating it, and Biden's team basically said because of Covid they don't need to do that sort of thing.

We probably shouldn't assume that it's smart to just never even try again to replicate some of the Obama "magic." But the Dems have to actually think this way, so far they haven't.

I'm not sure you can point at lack of GOTV efforts when Biden's on track to get the largest number of votes of any presidential election. Yes, the Dems didn't seem to bother much with it, but I think they correctly assumed that Trump was doing their job for them. I think the problem lies elsewhere, like culture wars preventing them from being more effective with rural voters, and what I perceive (maybe wrongly, I live in Europe afterall) as lack of interest in turning that constituency.

Yeah this is the big problem with modern fascism. A lot of people with a genuine belief there is a culture war going on.
Education can fix this in the long term but in the short term I'm just know sure you convince ignorant hicks that transsexuals aren't about to sneak into their room at night and cut off their penis (or whatever it is they believe)

[Maladict]

I am curious how everyone has called arizona already. Things aren't looking good there.

That Fox guy must be shitting himself, even though it wasn't his fault.

It wasn't his fault for the initial call, but it's his fault for not retracting.

They will have to soon, because Nevada is ready to be called any time now.

[alfred russel]

I don't know if it's to do with Catholicism. From the early polls on this (), Catholics went for Biden and he did a lot better than Clinton.

In terms of religion I wonder if the growing evangelical protestant churches in Latino communities (and Latin America) may be part of it?

I wasn't trying to attribute anything to religion. I was just trying to point out a demographic that was initially dialed in as democratic moved to be competitive in the past few decades as they mainstreamed.

It seems the future of Republicans/Democrats has long been defined by the demography is destiny debate. There are those that believe the coming minority status for whites means a future with a semi-permanent democrat majority as republicans are a party for white people. It is a major part of the reason the pre trump national republican leaders were supportive of immigration reform--trying to bring in hispanics. Obviously the efforts to appeal to minorities were quite a failure before this election. It would be a big deal if this is something beyond a one election thing.

[Valmy]

Nevada being called with take the actual worst case scenario, the dreaded 269 all tie, off the table.

Perdue just went under 50% in Georgia by 121 votes. So given the trends we look to be headed to a wild double senate runoff in Georgia.

[celedhring]

I will say with minority vote, while I kind of casually just chalked up a lot of the Obama coalition to his charisma, it should be noted Obama had the largest scale, most pervasive, community level GOTV effort in high minority % urban areas. Hillary didn't bother to even try replicating it, and Biden's team basically said because of Covid they don't need to do that sort of thing.

We probably shouldn't assume that it's smart to just never even try again to replicate some of the Obama "magic." But the Dems have to actually think this way, so far they haven't.

I'm not sure you can point at lack of GOTV efforts when Biden's on track to get the largest number of votes of any presidential election. Yes, the Dems didn't seem to bother much with it, but I think they correctly assumed that Trump was doing their job for them. I think the problem lies elsewhere, like culture wars preventing them from being more effective with rural voters, and what I perceive (maybe wrongly, I live in Europe afterall) as lack of interest in turning that constituency.

Yeah this is the big problem with modern fascism. A lot of people with a genuine belief there is a culture war going on.
Education can fix this in the long term but in the short term I'm just know sure you convince ignorant hicks that transsexuals aren't about to sneak into their room at night and cut off their penis (or whatever it is they believe)

I think the Dems could do a better job of stressing a progressive economic message. FL passed an increased minimum wage at the same time they voted to re-elect Trump.

[Valmy]

Yeah and this is one of the reasons I think the leftwing of the party will prevail. Economic populism is a winner, culture war stuff might not be.

[Syt]

What legal argument did Trump win re:Pennsylvania. I see him tweeting some shit about that.

Maybe this?

Trump campaign can watch votes being counted in Pa. from six feet away

By Jon Swaine
Trump's campaign on Thursday secured the right to watch votes being counted in Pennsylvania from six feet away.

A state appeals court reversed a lower court's rejection of a request from the Trump campaign to be given closer access to the counting process.

Judge Christine Fizzano Cannon ordered that all candidates and their representatives "be permitted to observe all aspects of the canvassing process within 6 feet, while adhering to all COVID-19 protocols, including, wearing masks and maintaining social distancing."

In a 59-page brief filed earlier on Thursday morning, the Trump campaign complained that officials in Philadelphia had prevented observers from getting close enough to officials processing ballots. It argued that this was "casting a cloud over the ballots processed and the integrity of the vote."

The Pennsylvania Democratic Party had opposed the Trump campaign's appeal, arguing that the state legislature had placed limits on observers, apparently to avoid time-consuming challenges.

The decision is unlikely to have an immediate impact on the vote count. Observers are not permitted to challenge the validity of ballots. The Trump campaign said in its brief that it was not trying to change this, and "simply wants the right to observe."

But observers are likely to watch keenly for any potential irregularities to report back to the campaign. The Trump team has already joined Republican lawsuits seeking to halt the count of a small number of mail ballots whose voters were given the opportunity to correct errors.

"Under the Constitution, the legislature has the right to make these laws, which they've made, and the judge just confirmed that they must be followed," Trump campaign attorney Pam Bondi said at a news conference about the legal victory in Philadelphia. "So we plan on entering that building and legally observing the voting process."

[Sheilbh]

I wasn't trying to attribute anything to religion. I was just trying to point out a demographic that was initially dialed in as democratic moved to be competitive in the past few decades as they mainstreamed.

Sure - it will be interesting to see a breakdown of this

It seems the future of Republicans/Democrats has long been defined by the demography is destiny debate. There are those that believe the coming minority status for whites means a future with a semi-permanent democrat majority as republicans are a party for white people. It is a major part of the reason the pre trump national republican leaders were supportive of immigration reform--trying to bring in hispanics. Obviously the efforts to appeal to minorities were quite a failure before this election. It would be a big deal if this is something beyond a one election thing.

I think that's always been nonsense though the demographics is destiny thing. We've heard it so many times from both parties. I remember the last time the Republicans significantly increased their vote with minorities in 2004 all the talk about an "emerging Republican majority" expanding into minorities through compassionate conservatism (and immigration reform). Of course one of the is probably material - Trump is doing better than the candidacy of some guys who wanted to privatise social security, Bush in 2004 blew a lot of capital on that as well.

I don't think anything's fixed but there's definitely an opportunity if the Rubio/Reversalist wing of the GOP manage to win arguments within the party.

[Valmy]

That is actually the historical trend. The Democrats have always been the immigrants party. As they mainstream they began to resemble general national trends.

[Sheilbh]

That is actually the historical trend. The Democrats have always been the immigrants party. As they mainstream they began to resemble general national trends.

Yeah - I suppose part of it is if Latinos stay "racialised" or if they become more like, say, Italian-Americans. It'll be really interesting to see breakdowns by part of Latin America, generation etc.

[Tamas]

What legal argument did Trump win re:Pennsylvania. I see him tweeting some shit about that.

Maybe this?

Trump campaign can watch votes being counted in Pa. from six feet away

By Jon Swaine
Trump's campaign on Thursday secured the right to watch votes being counted in Pennsylvania from six feet away.

A state appeals court reversed a lower court's rejection of a request from the Trump campaign to be given closer access to the counting process.

Judge Christine Fizzano Cannon ordered that all candidates and their representatives "be permitted to observe all aspects of the canvassing process within 6 feet, while adhering to all COVID-19 protocols, including, wearing masks and maintaining social distancing."

In a 59-page brief filed earlier on Thursday morning, the Trump campaign complained that officials in Philadelphia had prevented observers from getting close enough to officials processing ballots. It argued that this was "casting a cloud over the ballots processed and the integrity of the vote."

The Pennsylvania Democratic Party had opposed the Trump campaign's appeal, arguing that the state legislature had placed limits on observers, apparently to avoid time-consuming challenges.

The decision is unlikely to have an immediate impact on the vote count. Observers are not permitted to challenge the validity of ballots. The Trump campaign said in its brief that it was not trying to change this, and "simply wants the right to observe."

But observers are likely to watch keenly for any potential irregularities to report back to the campaign. The Trump team has already joined Republican lawsuits seeking to halt the count of a small number of mail ballots whose voters were given the opportunity to correct errors.

"Under the Constitution, the legislature has the right to make these laws, which they've made, and the judge just confirmed that they must be followed," Trump campaign attorney Pam Bondi said at a news conference about the legal victory in Philadelphia. "So we plan on entering that building and legally observing the voting process."

What could possibly go wrong.

[Josquius]

Woops. Spilled my 6 pint tub of coke.

[Valmy]

Woops. Spilled my 6 pint tub of coke.

Did you spill it all over some ballots?