US Election Week 2020

[Eddie Teach]

Trespassing, same as the rioters.

[viper37]

Long text about the Capitol rioters, 1st hand account from a journalist who was there, among them.

How far did he follow them?

Up 'til they enter the Senate chambers, sit on Pence's chair and read memos from Senators to Pence.

He violated the law to get the story?

If the doors are breached and you enter with the intent of reporting what you see, is that a crime?
If I'm your neighbor and I see your door wide open, I enter to check on things, am I committing a crime?

[grumbler]

Trespassing, same as the rioters.

Define "trespassing" as it refers to this situation.

[grumbler]

If the doors are breached and you enter with the intent of reporting what you see, is that a crime?
If I'm your neighbor and I see your door wide open, I enter to check on things, am I committing a crime?

No, and no, according to Virginia state laws.  Your mileage may differ.

[Eddie Teach]

Trespassing, same as the rioters.

Define "trespassing" as it refers to this situation.

I dunno. I presume not everyone who stormed the building was looting or attacking cops. So whatever they're guilty of, having a camera doesn't make you exempt.

[grumbler]

Trespassing, same as the rioters.

Define "trespassing" as it refers to this situation.

I dunno. I presume not everyone who stormed the building was looting or attacking cops. So whatever they're guilty of, having a camera doesn't make you exempt.

I don't understand your point.  Is motive not a factor in criminal law?

[Barrister]

I don't understand your point.  Is motive not a factor in criminal law?

I can't answer whether or not this reporter "broke the law", but this I can answer.

Motive is never a factor in criminal law.  As a prosecutor I never have to prove motive.  What I do have to prove is intent.  I have to prove what the person was trying to do (intent).  What is mostly irrelevant is why the person was trying to do that thing (motive).

Now motive can sometimes come up in sentencing, but never as an element of the offence.

[grumbler]

I don't understand your point.  Is motive not a factor in criminal law?

I can't answer whether or not this reporter "broke the law", but this I can answer.

Motive is never a factor in criminal law.  As a prosecutor I never have to prove motive.  What I do have to prove is intent.  I have to prove what the person was trying to do (intent).  What is mostly irrelevant is why the person was trying to do that thing (motive).

Now motive can sometimes come up in sentencing, but never as an element of the offence.

Conceded.  Mens Rea is better interpreted as "intent" than "motive."

So i restate my question as "is Mens Rea not a factor in criminal law?"   Does a reporter have the Mens Rea when he reports a crime in progress?

[The Minsky Moment]

Criminal intent normally refers to intent to do the acts the constitute the crime, in this case unauthorized entry.  The reporter had that intent. The reporter could invoke the first amendment, however.

[Habbaku]

You guys, I'm starting to think that Trump isn't going to pull this one out.

[Tonitrus]

He still has a few minutes to declare martial law.

[Grey Fox]

My prediction in the end will have been wrong.

[Caliga]

You guys, I'm starting to think that Trump isn't going to pull this one out.

OMG DID YOU SEE THE MORSE CODE BLINKING PENCE WAS DOING QQ

[mongers]

Criminal intent normally refers to intent to do the acts the constitute the crime, in this case unauthorized entry.  The reporter had that intent. The reporter could invoke the first amendment, however.

I love how Robert Moore's ITN crew coverage of the capitol invasion is now providing valuable evidence on who was there and what crimes they got up to. 

[viper37]

Criminal intent normally refers to intent to do the acts the constitute the crime, in this case unauthorized entry.  The reporter had that intent. The reporter could invoke the first amendment, however.

depends.  he did not have the intent to breach the capitol, his intent was to report on the protest.  then things heated up, people entered the Capitol, he followed to report on what they were doing.