Coronavirus Sars-CoV-2/Covid-19 Megathread

[crazy canuck]

Brother in law is out of the hospital and on the mend.

[Barrister]

Alberta's going into our hardest lockdown since spring 2020.

All schools online-only for two weeks.  Restaurant patios closed.  Hair salons etc. closed.

Hopefully, it will work. Your per capita rate is ridiculous.

AND... all out-of-custody trials will be rescheduled for at least 2 weeks starting May 10.

We're right back in the spring 2020 shutdown conditions.  Only difference was back then only essential businesses were allowed to be open.  Kenney has said many times that he thought it was a mistake - it allowed big box stores to make a killing.  So all retail businesses are allowed to be open - but with 10% capacity.

[crazy canuck]

https://www.google.com/search?q=extra+gum+commercial+2021&rlz=1C1ASUM_enCA663CA663&oq=extra+gum+&aqs=chrome.0.0i3l2j0i131i433j69i57j0i3l6.3882j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Zanza]

After the United States offered to talk about a waiver of intellectual property rights for Covid vaccines yesterday, the EU now also signaled that they are willing to talk.

Let's see if this is genuine interest to share or one or both just avoiding poor PR, but trying to sit this out in endless talks at the WTO.

[Sheilbh]

After the United States offered to talk about a waiver of intellectual property rights for Covid vaccines yesterday, the EU now also signaled that they are willing to talk.

Let's see if this is genuine interest to share or one or both just avoiding poor PR, but trying to sit this out in endless talks at the WTO.

I feel like there's been a little too much focus on the IP side. This would be good, but not enough. The key will actually be transferring the IP and building up manufacturing capacity everywhere, which I think is important but a little bit under-estimated at the minute compared to the IP waiver.

Edit: For what it's worth trade lawyers I follow seem to be taking it seriously as, if nothing else, a mark that the age of IP protection maximalism by the US (and hopefully the rest of the Global North) is probably coming to an end.

[Barrister]

Oof.  Alberta woman in her 50s dies from blood clot after receiving AZ vaccine.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-covid-astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-death-1.6015535

The worst part though is she feels increasing unwell for the week after her shot.  She goes in to the ER at one hospital with a headache, feeling weak, and vomiting.  She was sent home to rest.

She goes to another ER the next day, is admitted, blood clot discovered.  She's transferred to another hospital but has a seizure in the ambulance.

Sure sounds like they probably could have saved her if caught in time.

[Barrister]

You know this has caused me to re-assess how I view risks and likelihood.

I was perfectly willing to get the AZ shot, even with the 1 in 300,000 (or so) risk of an adverse reaction - what are the odds that would happen to me?

But I buy lotto tickets.  Not often, but when the jackpot gets really big.  But I looked - the odds of the one I play is 1 in 33 million.  So 100x more unlikely.

I think this means I should stop buying lotto tickets.

[crazy canuck]

You know this has caused me to re-assess how I view risks and likelihood.

I was perfectly willing to get the AZ shot, even with the 1 in 300,000 (or so) risk of an adverse reaction - what are the odds that would happen to me?

But I buy lotto tickets.  Not often, but when the jackpot gets really big.  But I looked - the odds of the one I play is 1 in 33 million.  So 100x more unlikely.

I think this means I should stop buying lotto tickets.

You are also not a middle aged woman who is more prone to this rare adverse reaction.

[Grey Fox]

It's not a choice for me but I like to think I would get the AZ shot. While the tyranny of choice can be moral destroying, complications from covid can be worse and creating covid complication in someone else would be worse for me.

I don't by lottery tickets unless it's the billion dollar jackpot that Berkut is organizing.

[alfred russel]

You know this has caused me to re-assess how I view risks and likelihood.

I was perfectly willing to get the AZ shot, even with the 1 in 300,000 (or so) risk of an adverse reaction - what are the odds that would happen to me?

But I buy lotto tickets.  Not often, but when the jackpot gets really big.  But I looked - the odds of the one I play is 1 in 33 million.  So 100x more unlikely.

I think this means I should stop buying lotto tickets.

That is a bad way to look at statistics.

If you play the lotto you pay $1 to get that 1 in 33 million chance of winning.

With AZ you pay a 1 in 300,000 chance of an adverse reaction for a 1 in incremental (whatever it is) chance incremental chance of contracting covid versus while vaccinated and the incremental side effects of covid (including personal negative side effects up to and including death plus whatever risk you present to the community).

[Barrister]

You know this has caused me to re-assess how I view risks and likelihood.

I was perfectly willing to get the AZ shot, even with the 1 in 300,000 (or so) risk of an adverse reaction - what are the odds that would happen to me?

But I buy lotto tickets.  Not often, but when the jackpot gets really big.  But I looked - the odds of the one I play is 1 in 33 million.  So 100x more unlikely.

I think this means I should stop buying lotto tickets.

That is a bad way to look at statistics.

If you play the lotto you pay $1 to get that 1 in 33 million chance of winning.

With AZ you pay a 1 in 300,000 chance of an adverse reaction for a 1 in incremental (whatever it is) chance incremental chance of contracting covid versus while vaccinated and the incremental side effects of covid (including personal negative side effects up to and including death plus whatever risk you present to the community).

I think you misunderstood me.

I still would have gotten the AZ shot (though I ultimately did get the Pfizer).  But if I was willing to write off a 1 in 300,000 chance as so unlikely as to not worry about it, I should probably stop buying lotto tickets.

Although... I only usually buy when the jackpot is about $50 million.  So maybe buying a 1 in 33 million chance ticket is relatively rational in that circumstance?  Only difficulty is bigger jackpot means more players, which means increased chance of a split pot.  Not sure hot to factor that in.

[crazy canuck]

We were just talking about people not acting rationally in the other thread.

[viper37]

In other news, looks like my brother is out of ICU. Still in hospital, but breathing without a ventilator

[viper37]

Round about the same time my uncle got into the hospital, the daughter of a family friend also was hospitalised. Unlike my uncle, her condition kept deteriorating and she passed away yesterday. she was only a few years older than me.

sad to hear that :(she was still in Hungary?

[viper37]

You are also not a middle aged woman who is more prone to this rare adverse reaction.

it's still not clear if it's a sample bias in effect here.