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Started by Syt, January 18, 2020, 09:36:09 AM

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Sheilbh

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Quote from: Tamas on September 22, 2020, 09:19:46 AM

Yeah, I am starting to give up on any hopes higher than keeping ICUs below capacity, hopefully people will come to their senses because these measures should be enough if people actually keep to them. Hopefully
Two points I hadn't realised - apparently in Scotland and England they're considering the strict national lockdown to coincide with the school half-term holidays, which sort of makes sense to me because you can close down schools without having to shut them down.

Also I was seeing people wondering if we're already effectively locking down. So before the national lockdown the biggest fall in activity happened before it was actually imposed, because people reacted to the news and they were wondering if the same would happen now. Regardless of the rules people will do less because there's Whitty and Vallance on the TV again saying there's a risk of exponential growth. I saw a Hong Kong journalist say that's basically been there experience - the government has occasionally changed the rules but basically people relax once cases fall, then do less and go out less once cases rise again. It makes sense to me that that's what we'll see now - with the caveat that if people are encouraged to work from home then the biggest risk area is closed off.

Edit: Also in continuing evidence that despite Johnson's bullshit about us just loving freedom more than Germans or Italians - British people love lockdown rules and want more of it :lol:

78% of people strongly or somewhat support the new measures announced today, 45% of people think they don't go far enough. I always thought the weird masochistic thing in our ruling class was just the psycho-sexual scarring product of public boarding schools. But maybe we just all like being told what to do all the time :ph34r:
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Tamas

Sky News was just doing a "beware and set your eyes at Spain!" story with a Spanish doctor warnings us to learn from them and behave or brutal 2nd wave is coming like in Spain.

I have already had severe February/March deja vu, this just made it worse.

Sheilbh

Quote from: Tamas on September 22, 2020, 03:40:36 PM
Sky News was just doing a "beware and set your eyes at Spain!" story with a Spanish doctor warnings us to learn from them and behave or brutal 2nd wave is coming like in Spain.

I have already had severe February/March deja vu, this just made it worse.
Well hopefully we have significantly fewer deaths this time round, like in Spain.

What's striking is the divergence - France, which I believe has the highest new cases in Europe, have said there'll be no new restrictions on a nationwide basis but may still be local restrictions and Macron said "we want to avoid the radical and massive response we made in March-April when we had less understanding of the virus and had fewer tests available."

I'm not so sure we'll see as many European lockdowns or restrictions this time round.
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Tamas

They'd be pointless before things go really bad again, people won't comply before that. And hopefully it won't be nearly as bad.

Sheilbh

Hopefully sonner than we think - but interesting piece about something I am very ignorant of:
QuoteHow close is a coronavirus vaccine?
Out of 300 candidates, nine are in Phase 3 trials, with some hoping for emergency use approval this year
Anna Gross and Ian Bott in London 6 hours ago

As large parts of the world prepare for a second wave of coronavirus cases governments have pinned their hopes on the rapid development of a vaccine to provide a route out of the pandemic.

Pharmaceutical companies have moved with unprecedented speed and tens of thousands of people in more than a dozen countries — from Brazil to Saudi Arabia — have volunteered for human trials.

If the vaccines work, as early tests suggest, the button will be hit for immediate mass production at a scale and speed never seen before. But recent setbacks for at least one leading manufacturer have shown that the path to a proven and widely available shot may not be straightforward.


In total there are more than 300 vaccine candidates, according to the World Health Organization: roughly 40 are being tested on humans, and only nine of those have reached the final stage before possible implementation — Phase 3 trials.

One of the nine vaccines is being developed in the UK by AstraZeneca at Oxford university; two of the most advanced US candidates come from pharmaceutical company Pfizer, in partnership with Germany's BioNTech, and Moderna; four vaccines are being produced in China by Sinovac Biotech, CanSino Biologics and Sinopharm, which has two different shots in development; and one is being led by US multinational Johnson & Johnson. A Russian vaccine produced by the Gamaleya Research Institute entered Phase 3 this month. All nine have already signed purchase agreements with governments around the world.



World map showing locations of Phase 3 testing by various companies

How will the different vaccines work?

All the possible inoculations broadly follow the same logic. They deliver a protein into the body that attaches to a part of the coronavirus, called the spike, and triggers the immune system to produce antibodies and virus-fighting cells to fend off the infection.

There are dozens of possible ways to transmit immunising proteins into the body, and researchers around the world are trying different approaches.

[n]Three of the Chinese Phase 3 candidates use an inactivated virus as their vector. In other words, Sars-Cov-2, which has been killed by heat or chemicals. In theory, it will elicit the correct immune response but without any of the severe health impacts of the live virus.

AstraZeneca, J&J, China's CanSino and Russia's Gamaleya Research Institute all use an adenovirus — a common virus that causes coughs and fever — that acts like a cloaked horseman, carrying the immunising protein into battle.

Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech are both developing RNA-based vaccines, which use specific parts of the Sars-Cov-2 virus' genetic code to trigger the immune response.[/b]



How are the trials structured?

All of the Phase 3 vaccine trials are what is called "event-based", meaning the trial only ends when a certain number of people across the vaccinated group and the control group — which receives a placebo — have contracted the virus and shown symptoms. Moderna, for example, has set the number of these "positive events" at 151. It also means that the more prevalent the disease is in the population at the time of trial, the quicker it is to gather results.



While it is commonly hoped that a vaccine will completely prevent individuals from getting infected, this result is rare, and has never been achieved for other coronaviruses or strains of influenza. Instead, a more pragmatic goal, adopted by most of the vaccine developers, is the prevention of symptomatic Covid-19 infections. That is the stated objective of the AstraZeneca, Moderna, Pfizer/BioNTech and J&J vaccines.

"What we really want from a vaccine is to stop people being admitted to hospital, going to intensive care and dying," said Andrew Pollard, who is leading the AstraZeneca trials at Oxford university. "It is likely to be a much bigger hurdle to completely prevent asymptomatic infection."

Immunity, boosters and side-effects

Given the growing chorus of experts warning it is likely the vaccine will confer only temporary immunity, the capacity to "boost" the immune response at a later date with another shot is important.

"The assumption at the moment is that we'll be shooting to get to a year's immunity," said Kate Bingham, chair of the UK government's Vaccine Taskforce. Many of the current vaccine candidates are designed to be taken in two doses, to increase the chance they will trigger an effective immune response.

"Even if you have a vaccine with a second dose, you may need to boost every year," Ms Bingham said.

AstraZeneca, CanSino, J&J and the Gamaleya Research Institute all use a non-replicating viral vector — in this case an adenovirus — to deliver the vaccine to the recipient. These are infamously difficult to boost because the body learns to mount an immune response to the adenovirus and is therefore primed to fight it off quickly next time.

"It's a potential hindrance in terms of a long-term revenue stream — but one of the other vaccines could be your booster of choice," said Matthew Harrison, a biotech analyst at Morgan Stanley.

Side-effects are also being closely watched. Early trials of the Moderna vaccine, for example, when participants received a dose more than double the strength of the current shot, resulted in 20 per cent experiencing significant adverse effects, including headaches and fevers.

AstraZeneca has had to pause trials twice after participants fell seriously ill and while work has resumed in the UK and elsewhere, the research remains on hold in the US.

Which countries have bought doses so far?

Despite global appeals from the WHO for countries to pursue multilateral deals that provide for the equitable distribution of doses, the trials have sparked a multibillion-dollar flurry of vaccine dealmaking by national governments.

The US government's Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority is the biggest spender so far, having distributed more than $10bn in funding for vaccine candidates, either via direct financing or through vaccine procurement agreements.



On a per-capita basis, the UK has built the largest and most diversified vaccine portfolio, according to data from Deutsche Bank, having pre-ordered more than five doses per citizen spread across six leading vaccine candidates. The UK is followed closely by the US, Canada and Japan.

In total, dealmaking by the US, UK, EU, Japan and other rich nations has meant wealthy countries representing just 13 per cent of the world's population have bought more than half of the leading vaccine candidates' promised doses, according to Oxfam, the charity.

Covax, the global vaccine procurement facility, designed to ensure the equitable distribution of doses, only this week secured the participation of 64 higher income countries. The Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, one of the founders of the facility, has invested up to $895m in nine Covid-19 vaccine candidates that will be distributed under the programme.



When can we expect results?

Scientists' forecasts for when the first vaccine could present positive Phase 3 trial results range from October this year, at the most optimistic, to mid-2021 at the most pessimistic.

Pfizer/BioNTech have said they would have sufficient data from their Phase 3 trial to begin analysis by the end of October. Moderna, which has enrolled more than 25,000 participants in its trial and given more than 10,000 of those both doses in the vaccine course, said last week that an interim analysis of trial results is more likely to begin in November and potentially as late as December.


When the AstraZeneca trial restarted in the UK in September, the company said it was still on track to submit its vaccine for regulatory approval before the end of the year. Some 18,000 individuals in the UK, US, South Africa and Brazil have received its AZD1222 vaccine as part of the trial so far.

After initial Phase 3 trial results are available, a successful vaccine could be approved by the relevant national regulator within one month, analysts estimate, allowing for the early delivery of the shot to vulnerable groups. It would likely take a further six months for full Phase 3 trial data to be collected and analysed before the shot could be made available for wider public vaccination campaigns.

Additional reporting by Hannah Kuchler and Clive Cookson
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crazy canuck

the 20 somethings are the age group in Canada experiencing the most infections.  Dramatic increase in those numbers since July.

garbon

Quote from: Tamas on September 22, 2020, 04:06:36 PM
They'd be pointless before things go really bad again, people won't comply before that. And hopefully it won't be nearly as bad.

Well as of today we have seen the third highest daily increase since the pandemic began in the UK.
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viper37

Health authorities have opened a new place to perform tests. The number of new cases seems to have stabilized, but some activities are still being cancelled :(
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Sheilbh

So according to recent SAGE minutes someone's suggested basically creating a free-floating student body by discouraging students from returning from university to home at Christmas. I kind of question the grip on reality of people on SAGE now because that is not going to happen and slightly crazy (and not all university accommodation lasts over holidays too).
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Syt

Vienna's tourism has dropped by 70% compared to last year looking at January - July, losing over €360 million. It will probably dip further once the numbers for August/September are added when numbers were rapidly increasing and several countries issued travel warnings.
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Sheilbh

This is interesting and, I think, the first study of the impact of (primary) school closures on student learning - a study in Belgium:
https://feb.kuleuven.be/research/economics/ces/documents/DPS/2020/dps2017.pdf

Abstract:
QuoteThe school closures owing to the 2020 COVID-19 crisis resulted in a significant disruption of education provision leading to fears of learning losses and of an increase in educational inequality. This paper evaluates the effects of school closures based on standardised tests in the last year of primary school in Flemish schools in Belgium. The data covers a large sample of Flemish schools over a period of six years from 2015 to 2020. We find that students of the 2020 cohort experienced significant learning losses in all tested subjects,  with a decrease in school averages of mathematics scores of 0.19 standard deviations and Dutch scores of 0.29 standard deviations as compared to the previous cohort. This finding holds when accounting for school characteristics, standardised tests in grade 4, and school fixed effects. Moreover, we observe that inequality within schools rises by 17% for math and 20% for Dutch. Inequality between schools rises by 7% for math and 18% for Dutch.  The learning losses are correlated with observed school characteristics as schools with a more disadvantaged student population experience larger learning losses.
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Sheilbh

Interesting story on vaccines - UK is starting trials in January on healthy people who are deliberately infected with covid. Apparently this is called a "human challenge" trial and I think is used to narrow down and focus when there are multiple candidates, so it's been done in the past in developing typhus and other vaccines. But really fascinating from a medical ethics perspective.
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garbon

Quote from: Sheilbh on September 24, 2020, 07:32:19 AM
Interesting story on vaccines - UK is starting trials in January on healthy people who are deliberately infected with covid. Apparently this is called a "human challenge" trial and I think is used to narrow down and focus when there are multiple candidates, so it's been done in the past in developing typhus and other vaccines. But really fascinating from a medical ethics perspective.

Yeah a common thing that can be run for vaccine trialing.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: garbon on September 24, 2020, 07:38:37 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 24, 2020, 07:32:19 AM
Interesting story on vaccines - UK is starting trials in January on healthy people who are deliberately infected with covid. Apparently this is called a "human challenge" trial and I think is used to narrow down and focus when there are multiple candidates, so it's been done in the past in developing typhus and other vaccines. But really fascinating from a medical ethics perspective.

Yeah a common thing that can be run for vaccine trialing.
Yeah I'd not heard of it and I remember at the start someone saying it would be unethical to deliberately infect people to test vaccines or treatments. Presumably the ethics change once you've got a relatively solid vaccine/treatment option?
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