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Quo Vadis GOP?

Started by Syt, January 09, 2021, 07:46:24 AM

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Admiral Yi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlb3NJW310w

Apparently MyPillow is running for head of the RNC. :lol:

Valmy

Yeah I keep hearing prophets of doom insisting that the Republicans are going to become sane again and then they will easily reconquer Arizona and Georgia and then we will be vanquished by a new era of red glory.

Well not looking like sanity is going to prevail any time soon.
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Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on February 02, 2023, 02:35:12 PMYeah I keep hearing prophets of doom insisting that the Republicans are going to become sane again and then they will easily reconquer Arizona and Georgia and then we will be vanquished by a new era of red glory.

Well not looking like sanity is going to prevail any time soon.

I'm going to quibble with the word "insane".

There is a string of what appears to be legit mental illness running through the GOP.  It starts with Trump of course, but includes figures like MTG, Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Herschel Walker.

But then you have a bunch of politicians who are taking policy decisions I don't like, and are happy to saddle up to the crazy, but don't appear to be crazy themselves.  DeSantis, McCarthy and a lot of others in this category.

I think the GOP will push back more against the crazy when Trump is well and truly done (whenever that may be) - but the GOP or Reagan and the Bushes is not coming back.  The new GOP is going to take a lot of lessons from this era - it'll be more nativist, more concerned with "culture wars", less interested in fiscal policy - but more sane.

Take whatever hope and/or fear from that you will.
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Zanza


Valmy



I will believe it when I see it.

The problem is the crazy sells. The people hate the billionaires and the big corporations and the government and how they are all in bed together, so the anti-establishment paranoid shit gets votes. The culture war stuff is a big winner inside the 30% or so of the country that is culturally conservative but that is an ever shrinking group. They can't win without the crazy. Probably can't win with it either, but there we go.
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Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on February 02, 2023, 02:48:42 PMI will believe it when I see it.

The problem is the crazy sells. The people hate the billionaires and the big corporations and the government and how they are all in bed together, so the anti-establishment paranoid shit gets votes. The culture war stuff is a big winner inside the 30% or so of the country that is culturally conservative but that is an ever shrinking group. They can't win without the crazy. Probably can't win with it either, but there we go.

"The crazy" doesn't sell.  But yes, the anti-establishment, anti-big corporations, culture war stuff does.  Oh and don't forget the performative cruelty - that also sells.

And to be clear - this isn't the kind of evolution I want in right-wing politics!  But it is what I think we will get.
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Valmy

Quote from: Barrister on February 02, 2023, 02:56:01 PM"The crazy" doesn't sell.  But yes, the anti-establishment, anti-big corporations, culture war stuff does.  Oh and don't forget the performative cruelty - that also sells.

I guess I have a hard time imagining a non-crazy version of this. I guess that is DeSantis isn't it? I think he is going down hard in the Primary, I guess time will tell. But even DeSantis has to at least pretend he thinks the elections are rigged right?
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Sheilbh

Quote from: Valmy on February 02, 2023, 02:59:47 PMI guess I have a hard time imagining a non-crazy version of this. I guess that is DeSantis isn't it? I think he is going down hard in the Primary, I guess time will tell. But even DeSantis has to at least pretend he thinks the elections are rigged right?
I think he just had a line about the difference between him and Trump is that he gets re-elected - which doesn't work if he's still saying the election was rigged.

And I think weak and loser are the right attack lines against Trump.
Let's bomb Russia!

Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on February 02, 2023, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 02, 2023, 02:56:01 PM"The crazy" doesn't sell.  But yes, the anti-establishment, anti-big corporations, culture war stuff does.  Oh and don't forget the performative cruelty - that also sells.

I guess I have a hard time imagining a non-crazy version of this. I guess that is DeSantis isn't it? I think he is going down hard in the Primary, I guess time will tell. But even DeSantis has to at least pretend he thinks the elections are rigged right?

I don't think we'll see a President DeSantis - or even a GOP nominee DeSantis.

But yes, I think he's showing the way.

You'll note than in the mid-terms, almost all losing GOP candidates accepted their results.  Kari Lake in Arizona (who is definitely in the crazy wing) is the only one claiming she won.  Election denying is part of the "crazy".
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Jacob

It'd be an improvement if accepting the outcome of elections becomes standard for the GOP again.

Barrister

Quote from: Jacob on February 02, 2023, 04:57:48 PMIt'd be an improvement if accepting the outcome of elections becomes standard for the GOP again.

But it'll come with attempting to restrict access to voting...
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Valmy

Quote from: Barrister on February 02, 2023, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 02, 2023, 04:57:48 PMIt'd be an improvement if accepting the outcome of elections becomes standard for the GOP again.

But it'll come with attempting to restrict access to voting...

The weird part about that is they are currently throwing a fit about mail-in voting. Making big moves to keep rural voters, elderly, and military service people from voting? Are they nuts?
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