Amazon burning: Reichstag part II?

[Tamas]

In Sweden we chopped down all our forests a long time ago, today there are only some tiny isolated pockets of virgin forest left.

Well, that's something that has been bugging me in general, i.e. that we Europeans enjoy prosperity and a highly advanced infrastructure because we have eradicated our ancient forests a long time ago and have no intentions of returning them, but we demand that the ROTW indulges us and keep things conserved for the greater good.

Well yeah, just because Europeans did crappy things in the past doesn't mean everyone else should be doing the same things today.

Sure, but it still morally questionable to force sub-European living standards on people so that we don't have to tear up our suburbs and shopping malls and motorways to re-plant forests.

[Valmy]

Well, that's something that has been bugging me in general, i.e. that we Europeans enjoy prosperity and a highly advanced infrastructure because we have eradicated our ancient forests a long time ago and have no intentions of returning them, but we demand that the ROTW indulges us and keep things conserved for the greater good.

I mean you eradicated those forests in the pre-industrial era did you not? In any case I don't think a modern state needs vast farmland to be successful.

Anyway this is the whole "we are not deforesting YOU ARE" shit the nationalists always pull. It is not like only European countries who care about this sort of thing. It is just whataboutism.

But it isn't just deforesting. Same issue when India wants to use polluting sources of energy production that the West used with impunity for a long time.

Well that is different. We are still doing that.

[Valmy]

In Sweden we chopped down all our forests a long time ago, today there are only some tiny isolated pockets of virgin forest left.

Well, that's something that has been bugging me in general, i.e. that we Europeans enjoy prosperity and a highly advanced infrastructure because we have eradicated our ancient forests a long time ago and have no intentions of returning them, but we demand that the ROTW indulges us and keep things conserved for the greater good.

Well yeah, just because Europeans did crappy things in the past doesn't mean everyone else should be doing the same things today.

Sure, but it still morally questionable to force sub-European living standards on people so that we don't have to tear up our suburbs and shopping malls and motorways to re-plant forests.

The British are doing their part by stopping anybody from ever building any new housing.

[Tamas]

Good point.

[viper37]

In Sweden we chopped down all our forests a long time ago, today there are only some tiny isolated pockets of virgin forest left.

but you did it for a noble goal: reducing human population through conquests so the Earth would not warm so fast

It was done in the 19th-early 20th century, so we cannot credibly use that defense.

damn