What is the right way to deal with the Iranian crisis right now?

Started by Razgovory, June 22, 2019, 04:38:33 PM

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Maximus

#15
June 23, 2019, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 23, 2019, 02:54:10 AM

I think that might have been the plan last month when they damaged some ships with mines
Do we have evidence that actually happened? I haven't been following this charade closely.

Razgovory

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June 23, 2019, 10:38:48 PM Last Edit: June 23, 2019, 10:43:54 PM by Razgovory
Quote from: Maximus on June 23, 2019, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 23, 2019, 02:54:10 AM

I think that might have been the plan last month when they damaged some ships with mines
Do we have evidence that actually happened? I haven't been following this charade closely.

I hate that we are asking ourselves that question.  But after 2003...
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#17
June 23, 2019, 10:41:57 PM
I've been wondering if the Iranians are purposefully trying to provoke an attack to demonstrate to the world that the US is a bad actor and to convince the rest of the world to ignore any US sanctions on Iran.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Zanza

#18
June 23, 2019, 10:53:49 PM
The only reason why sanctions work is that multinationals rather do business in the US than Iran if they have to pick. Foreign governments already don't care for sanctions.

Admiral Yi

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June 23, 2019, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: Zanza on June 23, 2019, 10:53:49 PM
The only reason why sanctions work is that multinationals rather do business in the US than Iran if they have to pick. Foreign governments already don't care for sanctions.

Yup.

viper37

#20
June 24, 2019, 12:17:03 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 23, 2019, 10:41:57 PM
I've been wondering if the Iranians are purposefully trying to provoke an attack to demonstrate to the world that the US is a bad actor and to convince the rest of the world to ignore any US sanctions on Iran.
I think Iran wants to demonstrate the US it has the capabilities to hurt its opponents without inter continental ballistic missiles.  I wouldn't be surprised if some of these attacks were by Iran, but others could have been made by a 3rd party willing to frame Iran.
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Razgovory

#21
June 24, 2019, 02:10:53 AM
Quote from: Zanza on June 23, 2019, 10:53:49 PM
The only reason why sanctions work is that multinationals rather do business in the US than Iran if they have to pick. Foreign governments already don't care for sanctions.


They don't care for them, but if ignore them together and promise to protect their businesses then Trump's sanction regime will fall apart.  The US can't sanction the entire world.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#22
June 24, 2019, 02:11:50 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 24, 2019, 12:17:03 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 23, 2019, 10:41:57 PM
I've been wondering if the Iranians are purposefully trying to provoke an attack to demonstrate to the world that the US is a bad actor and to convince the rest of the world to ignore any US sanctions on Iran.
I think Iran wants to demonstrate the US it has the capabilities to hurt its opponents without inter continental ballistic missiles.  I wouldn't be surprised if some of these attacks were by Iran, but others could have been made by a 3rd party willing to frame Iran.


Nationalists. :rolleyes:  Always with the false flags.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Tamas

#23
June 24, 2019, 02:22:04 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 23, 2019, 10:38:48 PM
Quote from: Maximus on June 23, 2019, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 23, 2019, 02:54:10 AM

I think that might have been the plan last month when they damaged some ships with mines
Do we have evidence that actually happened? I haven't been following this charade closely.

I hate that we are asking ourselves that question.  But after 2003...

Or after the Gulf of Tonkin. Or after the USS Maine.

Grinning_Colossus

#24
June 24, 2019, 04:53:53 PM
Despite the implications for the world economy, I have a real distaste for intervening in a dispute between the Gulf monarchies and Iran because they're all so horrible. Just do more diplo work behind the scenes and maybe use some targeted sanctions until the Iranians do something really aggressive.
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Eddie Teach

#25
June 24, 2019, 05:23:13 PM
Nobody has suggested orbital nukes, is surety no longer important?
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Tonitrus

#26
June 24, 2019, 06:06:06 PM
Iran may be bad, but no one has accused them of being xenomorphs.

Josquius

#28
July 19, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Just when you think trump has messed up the world enough...
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Razgovory

#29
July 19, 2019, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: Tyr on July 19, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Just when you think trump has messed up the world enough...


What are you referring too?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017
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