Israel slams Germany for 'dishonest rewriting' of Anne Frank's legacy

[The Brain]

Ernst Röhm, Holocaust victim.

[Duque de Bragança]

In my understanding the Holocaust includes gays, gypsies, etc.

Shoah might be Jew-specific, but I'm not sure.

Since Shoah comes from Hebrew, I'd say Jewish-only too. Recently, a Romani word was found by activists I guess for the extermination of Gypsies i.e Porajmos. There is even talk now of "anti-tsiganism".
OTOH, no clue about the Holocaust. Holocaust could include not just Jews according to the countries.
As for homosexuals, this was mostly an internal nazi policy, unlike for Jews and Gypsies who were targeted all over occupied Europe.

[grumbler]

The US Holocaust Memorial Museum uses "The Holocaust" to include Jews only, and "The Holocaust Era" for Jews, Gypsies, Gays, and all the other victims.

[garbon]

I don't recall at Dachau last year that they made a distinction other than to point out that the original memorial art created pointedly didn't have homosexuals represented.

[Zanza]

In German, the word only refers to the genocide of Jews.

[Valmy]

My understanding of the Holocaust is that it was the program by the Nazi's to exterminate undesireables, most of which were Jews, but not exclusively so.

While it is understood the Germans killed many people in WWII, my understanding is that the Holocaust refers to the killing of the Jews.

[The Larch]

Checking on wiki it seems that Holocaust is indeed used to refer only to Jews, and is interchangeably with Shoah. Other persecuted groups are included in a "Other victims of nazi persecution", and the only other group to have their own name for their persecution are the Roma.

[Richard Hakluyt]

I've always assumed that the Holocaust was used for the nazi mass murder of Jews. It is a way of making it stand out from the everyday beastly brutality so common with humans. There are other terms for other particularly heinous events; the Holodomor for the Stalin-instigated famine in Ukraine for example.

[dps]

I always thought that it referred to all of the Nazi's organized mass murderous activities.  Perhaps the usage has changed over time?  It would appear that my understanding of the term is shared by the other American posters in my age group, but not by younger posters or non-Americans.

[grumbler]

I always thought that it referred to all of the Nazi's organized mass murderous activities.  Perhaps the usage has changed over time?  It would appear that my understanding of the term is shared by the other American posters in my age group, but not by younger posters or non-Americans.

When I teach it, I teach the Holocaust as the whole Nazi industrial murder machine, and note that I am not using the term as the USHMM does.  I think that the usage has changed over time, but not consistently in one direction.  My impression has been that the left uses it more generally, the right more specifically, and the usage in public discourse has varied accord to who is in power.

[Razgovory]

I've always thought that the Holocaust was whole Nazi extermination campaign and the Shoah was specifically the Jewish part.

[mongers]

I've always thought that the Holocaust was whole Nazi extermination campaign and the Shoah was specifically the Jewish part.

Yes that's what I thought, so as others have mentioned perhaps it's ones age and that usage has changed /tightened over time?

[Admiral Yi]

Hypothesis based on no real evidence: the Holocaust Museum in DC has evolved the usage.

[Razgovory]

I've always thought that the Holocaust was whole Nazi extermination campaign and the Shoah was specifically the Jewish part.

Yes that's what I thought, so as others have mentioned perhaps it's ones age and that usage has changed /tightened over time?

I was curious, so I looked up the etymology.

mid-13c., "sacrifice by fire, burnt offering," from Old French holocauste (12c.), or directly from Late Latin holocaustum, from Greek holokauston "a thing wholly burnt," neuter of holokaustos "burned whole," from holos "whole" (from PIE root *sol- "whole, well-kept") + kaustos, verbal adjective of kaiein "to burn" (see caustic).

Originally a Bible word for "burnt offerings," given wider figurative sense of "massacre, destruction of a large number of persons" from 1670s. The Holocaust "Nazi genocide of European Jews in World War II," first recorded 1957, earlier known in Hebrew as Shoah "catastrophe." The word itself was used in English in reference to Hitler's Jewish policies from 1942, but not as a proper name for them.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/holocaust

[dps]

The German diplos tweets about Anne Frank have nothing to do with Iran; raising the Iran policy is a non sequitur.

There is nothing "wishy-washy" or "pseudo" about universal values.  That kind of sentiment was shared by the people perscuting Anne Frank.  Recognition of universal human rights is part of Israel's constitution (Basic Law).  It's a disgraceful statement for an Israeli diplomat to make, or any diplomat for that matter.

Gotta wonder if at some point prior to 2016, Donald Trump looked at the Netanyahu government and said to himself, "Hmm, you know, I could do that".