Should Trump be impeached?

[Admiral Yi]

29?  I'd read 47 a few weeks before Mueller Day.

[Razgovory]

Impeachment may be a political process, but it should not be about "politics". There is value in the process itself, as a ritual instantiation of the values of the Republic. It's an opportunity to tie actions and ideals together, in an explicit fashion. To presume of its conclusion, and it's outcome, is good lawyerly practice, but it's not the whole of a political process. The calculation should not be whether Trump could be impeached, but whether the process itself can produce a robust discourse of democratic norms. I think it could, and it would be salutary after so much strongman rhetoric about the Presidency, and so much undermining of democratic norms, and this is why I would support a process of impeachment.

Of course, politics will play a role in this. And I think the strategy of it ought to be about the timing, rather than the possibility of winning.

I disagree.  We've had a discussion on norms for the two years, if we force the issue right now we probably aren't going to like the answer we get.

[Camerus]

29?  I'd read 47 a few weeks before Mueller Day.

I saw that number in a May 3 WaPo article, which in turn got it from a Quinnipiac poll.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/03/why-dont-americans-want-impeach-trump/?utm_term=.a4d67e9dba52

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2618

[crazy canuck]

Impeachment may be a political process, but it should not be about "politics". There is value in the process itself, as a ritual instantiation of the values of the Republic. It's an opportunity to tie actions and ideals together, in an explicit fashion. To presume of its conclusion, and it's outcome, is good lawyerly practice, but it's not the whole of a political process. The calculation should not be whether Trump could be impeached, but whether the process itself can produce a robust discourse of democratic norms. I think it could, and it would be salutary after so much strongman rhetoric about the Presidency, and so much undermining of democratic norms, and this is why I would support a process of impeachment.

Of course, politics will play a role in this. And I think the strategy of it ought to be about the timing, rather than the possibility of winning.

I agree with your analysis but I don't think the impeachment process would create that kind of discussion.  One need only see what is happening with Barr to see what would happen during an impeachment process.

[fromtia]

Trump is a token of the spiteful forces at work in the world?

To paraphrase Rogan, the assholes have elected their king.

[Razgovory]

Impeachment may be a political process, but it should not be about "politics". There is value in the process itself, as a ritual instantiation of the values of the Republic. It's an opportunity to tie actions and ideals together, in an explicit fashion. To presume of its conclusion, and it's outcome, is good lawyerly practice, but it's not the whole of a political process. The calculation should not be whether Trump could be impeached, but whether the process itself can produce a robust discourse of democratic norms. I think it could, and it would be salutary after so much strongman rhetoric about the Presidency, and so much undermining of democratic norms, and this is why I would support a process of impeachment.

Of course, politics will play a role in this. And I think the strategy of it ought to be about the timing, rather than the possibility of winning.

I agree with your analysis but I don't think the impeachment process would create that kind of discussion.  One need only see what is happening with Barr to see what would happen during an impeachment process.

I think that a discussion on political norms right now would not be what we want as a significant number of people want this to be the political norm.

[crazy canuck]

Impeachment may be a political process, but it should not be about "politics". There is value in the process itself, as a ritual instantiation of the values of the Republic. It's an opportunity to tie actions and ideals together, in an explicit fashion. To presume of its conclusion, and it's outcome, is good lawyerly practice, but it's not the whole of a political process. The calculation should not be whether Trump could be impeached, but whether the process itself can produce a robust discourse of democratic norms. I think it could, and it would be salutary after so much strongman rhetoric about the Presidency, and so much undermining of democratic norms, and this is why I would support a process of impeachment.

Of course, politics will play a role in this. And I think the strategy of it ought to be about the timing, rather than the possibility of winning.

I agree with your analysis but I don't think the impeachment process would create that kind of discussion.  One need only see what is happening with Barr to see what would happen during an impeachment process.

I think that a discussion on political norms right now would not be what we want as a significant number of people want this to be the political norm.

Indeed.

[mongers]

Trump is a token of the spiteful forces at work in the world?

To paraphrase Rogan, the assholes have elected their king.

That's a good one.

[dps]

Impeachment may be a political process, but it should not be about "politics". There is value in the process itself, as a ritual instantiation of the values of the Republic. It's an opportunity to tie actions and ideals together, in an explicit fashion. To presume of its conclusion, and it's outcome, is good lawyerly practice, but it's not the whole of a political process. The calculation should not be whether Trump could be impeached, but whether the process itself can produce a robust discourse of democratic norms. I think it could, and it would be salutary after so much strongman rhetoric about the Presidency, and so much undermining of democratic norms, and this is why I would support a process of impeachment.

Of course, politics will play a role in this. And I think the strategy of it ought to be about the timing, rather than the possibility of winning.

I agree with your analysis but I don’t think the impeachment process would create that kind of discussion.  One need only see what is happening with Barr to see what would happen during an impeachment process.

I think that a discussion on political norms right now would not be what we want as a significant number of people want this to be the political norm.

I'm not sure pollical norms have ever been exactly what I'd want them to be.  Don't see why that should preclude discussion of the subject.

[jimmy olsen]

29?  I'd read 47 a few weeks before Mueller Day.

Probably depends on the poll. Sampling and the specific question can make a big difference.

[Admiral Yi]

Impeach.  Yes. No. Duh.  Pro samples don't miss by 18 points.  That's not sampling error, that's a movement in public opinion.