Elon Musk: Always A Douche

[Tamas]

With trains you don't need a car to get around the destination either.

Maybe if the destination is just a compact city centre?

Most city dwellers cannot comprehend a reality outside of city centres.

[Josquius]

With trains you don't need a car to get around the destination either.

Maybe if the destination is just a compact city centre?

Most city dwellers cannot comprehend a reality outside of city centres.

More most people from car centric places cannot comprehend a reality where cars aren't necessary.

There'll always be some cases where you might need a car going somewhere. But the vast majority of visitors to another city aren't going to be some random residential suburb, they are going to be going to the centre or other well linked up places.

IMO the focus is always wrong with transport, especially in the US though also here. All the talk is about high speed rail and better linking up cities- where whats really needed is to better link up the city areas themselves to make them more viable places to be car-free.

[garbon]

With trains you don't need a car to get around the destination either.

Maybe if the destination is just a compact city centre?

Most city dwellers cannot comprehend a reality outside of city centres.

More most people from car centric places cannot comprehend a reality where cars aren't necessary.

Thankfully, I don't suffer from any such shortcomings as I've lived in 'car centric places' and in cities.

There'll always be some cases where you might need a car going somewhere. But the vast majority of visitors to another city aren't going to be some random residential suburb, they are going to be going to the centre or other well linked up places.

IMO the focus is always wrong with transport, especially in the US though also here. All the talk is about high speed rail and better linking up cities- where whats really needed is to better link up the city areas themselves to make them more viable places to be car-free.

Are compact cities the only tourist destinations? From my experience, many cities have attractions in the city and its vicinity that could be more conveniently reached by car. There are so many stately homes in Britain that I'd love to visit but haven't as the route by public transport is too onerous.

[Josquius]

Are compact cities the only tourist destinations? From my experience, many cities have attractions in the city and its vicinity that could be more conveniently reached by car. There are so many stately homes in Britain that I'd love to visit but haven't as the route by public transport is too onerous.

In terms of number of visitors cities (not necessarily compact, but usually with decent transit) absolutely do dominate. More rural places having better transit would do wonders for their visitor numbers.

Looking at the most visited places in the UK for instance there's only a few that at a glance stand out as having shit access like Stonehenge.

https://www.visitbritain.org/research-insights/england-visitor-attractions-latest

[Grey Fox]

I don't think we should build our cities, really our world, based on tourists.

Around here, what would improve the whole situation is for the city commerce to stop to want us, suburbanites, to come shopping to them and start catering to the residents of their communities.

[HVC]

Depends on the city. Some are heavily tourist dependant. Ignoring them is a detriment.

[Jacob]

Most city dwellers cannot comprehend a reality outside of city centres.

Are you taking Josq as representative of most city dwellers?

[crazy canuck]

You guys are gonna go wild when you hear about trains

 

[OttoVonBismarck]

Our favorite genius came out recently saying he needs to be given another 12% of Tesla so he can avoid...other investors being able to pressure / control him.

In an unhinged rant that also shows some questionable knowledge about how companies work (for a CEO of several companies.)

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/01/elon-musk-gives-tesla-ultimatum-another-12-of-shares-or-no-ai-robotics/

One of the more interestingly stupid comments he made is that he appears angry that institutional investors like Fidelity have a say in things like electing the Board of Directors and shareholder votes but "don't show up" to help...run the company? This appears to show a very low level understanding of what the role of investors is in a joint stock company, like below the level of understanding of a first year b-school student or even a relatively informed High Schooler.

My guess is all the bad news around Musk--including his now well-reported on drug use, his split attention between multiple companies, his offloading of Tesla shares to fund questionable investments, has Musk in a position of (perceived by him, at least) weakness in Tesla. He probably fears he could be forced out of management, and is demanding he be gifted many billions of dollars in shares to help prevent that.

(He also suggested a dual-class share structure, which isn't legal to implement now that the company has already gone public, he would basically have to take it private again and then re-IPO with the new share structure, which would be unfeasible given its current market value.)

[FunkMonk]

Sounds like he could really use 50 more Elon Musks.

[HVC]

Sounds like he could really use 50 more Elon Musks.

That's modest a number. How else are we getting our mars colonies?

Sounds like he's starting to crack even more. Wonder when he'll go full Howard Hughes?

[The Minsky Moment]

In addition to the issues flagged by OvB, a CEO is a legal fiduciary to a company and owes a duty of loyalty.  Musk has just publicly announced an intention to repudiate his fiduciary duty, which will be useful evidence if he ever does anything harmful in the future.

[crazy canuck]

In addition to the issues flagged by OvB, a CEO is a legal fiduciary to a company and owes a duty of loyalty.  Musk has just publicly announced an intention to repudiate his fiduciary duty, which will be useful evidence if he ever does anything harmful in the future.

Yeah, also anyone thinking about a derivative action was just handed all the evidence they will need to obtain the courts preliminary consent.

[Syt]

And I'm glad he settles this debate once and for all:

[Valmy]

The idea that Hitler was extremely socialist makes sense if you also consider France, the UK, and the United States in the 1930s as also very far left regarding socialism. And, to be fair, lots of people advancing that idea would agree that this is the case.

But I feel it is slightly disingenuous to not include that as a proviso when making that statement.