Elon Musk: Always A Douche

[PJL]

Eventually, Trump will tire of Musk and no longer see abuse in him. Their fallout will be spectacular.

I hope so, nothing would make me more happy seeing Trump say to Musk; 'You're fired'.

[Valmy]

Eventually, Trump will tire of Musk and no longer see abuse in him. Their fallout will be spectacular.

Musk will not be so easily dislodged.

[Sheilbh]

The Jay Inquiry was national in scope but related to all forms of child abuse not just grooming gangs. It's recommendations were also at a national level

Sorry - got them mixed up. You're right she was the final chair of the national child abuse inquiry reporting in 2022. She also chaired the Rotherham inquiry which reported in 2014.

From the introduction to that report:

No one knows the true scale of child sexual exploitation (CSE) in Rotherham over the years. Our conservative estimate is that approximately 1400 children were sexually exploited over the full Inquiry period, from 1997 to 2013.

In just over a third of cases, children affected by sexual exploitation were previously known to services because of child protection and neglect. It is hard to describe the appalling nature of the abuse that child victims suffered. They were raped by multiple perpetrators, trafficked to other towns and cities in the north of England, abducted, beaten, and intimidated. There were examples of children who had been doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight, threatened with guns, made to witness brutally violent rapes and threatened they would be next if they told anyone. Girls as young as 11 were raped by large numbers of male perpetrators.

[...]

Over the first twelve years covered by this Inquiry, the collective failures of political and officer leadership were blatant. From the beginning, there was growing evidence that child sexual exploitation was a serious problem in Rotherham. This came from those working in residential care and from youth workers who knew the young people well.

Within social care, the scale and seriousness of the problem was underplayed by senior managers. At an operational level, the Police gave no priority to CSE, regarding many child victims with contempt and failing to act on their abuse as a crime. Further stark evidence came in 2002, 2003 and 2006 with three reports known to the Police and the Council, which could not have been clearer in their description of the situation in Rotherham. The first of these reports was effectively suppressed because some senior officers disbelieved the data it contained. This had led to suggestions of cover-up. The other two reports set out the links between child sexual exploitation and drugs, guns and criminality in the Borough. These reports were ignored and no action was taken to deal with the issues that were identified in them.

[...]

Seminars for elected members and senior officers in 2004-05 presented the abuse in the most explicit terms. After these events, nobody could say 'we didn't know'. In 2005, the present Council Leader chaired a group to take forward the issues, but there is no record of its meetings or conclusions, apart from one minute.

By far the majority of perpetrators were described as 'Asian' by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue. Some councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem, which they hoped would go away. Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.

In December 2009, the Minister of State for Children and Families put the Council's children's safeguarding services into intervention, following an extremely critical Ofsted report. The Council was removed from intervention thirteen months later.

Right now I think Andy Burnham's commissioned a large inquiry into this form of child sexual abuse in Greater Manchester, I think Oldham is also requesting support from the central government to launch an inquiry. There's already been an inquiry in Telford (I think the estimate there is that 1,000 girls were abused).

From everything I've read I think the findings, conclusions and recommendations on the failures of the police, councils and social services are likely to be very similar to Jay's findings in Rotherham. So I think a national inquiry would stop lots of councils doing their own inquiries to find the same thing - and I think it would more completely address the first two bullets of the recommendations in Jay's general report. The state institutions that failed here were police, councils and social services I think there's an argument for establishing how they failed in their duty of care, if they're better now and if not what they need to do.

I also slightly wonder if there's almost something of the being seen to hear or listen to the victims - a national inquiry would allow victims from all towns to submit their evidence and be represented in some form. While at the minute some council areas have had full inquiries, others have had more limited inquiries into specific services (not covering the police, for example) and others haven't had any.

I'll admit I'm also a little skeptical of calls for inquiries in the UK as often feels like a way to kick fixing an issue further down the road.

Yeah I basically agree. I think consequences would be better - people losing their jobs and not failing upwards (the Rotherham council leader who had to resign was, briefly a Labour candidate for MP until the local press kicked up a massive storm).

Especially because I think the lessons for the police, in particular, boil down to doing their jobs and investigating reports of crimes and not treating victims as people and not with misogynist, racist and classist contempt.

[Josquius]

Ed Davey, lib dem leader/weird post post post modern vintage campaign expert, with a great comment on Musk

"People have had enough of Elon Musk interfering with our country's democracy when he clearly knows nothing about Britain. It's time to summon the US ambassador to ask
why an incoming US official is suggesting the UK government should be overthrown.

[Sheilbh]

In fairness if you're going to do that now is the time, while you've still got a Biden appointee to upbraid

[Zanza]

Eventually, Trump will tire of Musk and no longer see abuse in him. Their fallout will be spectacular.

Musk will not be so easily dislodged.

Trump is extremely disloyal and easy to annoy. Musk is extremely annoying. It is inevitable.

[crazy canuck]

Eventually, Trump will tire of Musk and no longer see abuse in him. Their fallout will be spectacular.

Musk will not be so easily dislodged.

Why do you say that?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Musk has gone insane. Is he on drugs? His paranoia seems off the charts. Granted I know he is "trolling" and all but it comes from a consistent place...

it's a real shame we don't have regular brainscans and what not of the man. It would be quite the project to investigate the going insane over time thing and maybe finding what's causing it.
One part is, I think, an overabundance of money.

[PJL]

So Elon Musk is going all Howard Hughes on us (though I heard Howard's condition may also been caused by a plane accident earlier in his life).

[viper37]

Eventually, Trump will tire of Musk and no longer see abuse in him. Their fallout will be spectacular.

Musk will not be so easily dislodged.

Why do you say that?

He put him where he is, and he has all the contacts with the business world.

Having him declared "mentally unfit to govern" by his Whitehouse doctor and getting him replaced by Vance would be easy enough.

Or you know, if push comes to shoves, there were already 2 assassination attemps.  So many guns in the US, so many gun nuts.  Inspire the right propaganda in the right people wouldn't be too hard with X' algorythm data.

[Barrister]

Eventually, Trump will tire of Musk and no longer see abuse in him. Their fallout will be spectacular.

Musk will not be so easily dislodged.

Why do you say that?

He put him where he is, and he has all the contacts with the business world.

Having him declared "mentally unfit to govern" by his Whitehouse doctor and getting him replaced by Vance would be easy enough.

Or you know, if push comes to shoves, there were already 2 assassination attemps.  So many guns in the US, so many gun nuts.  Inspire the right propaganda in the right people wouldn't be too hard with X' algorythm data.

Trump is President, and Musk is not though.

Trump has the secret service protecting him.  Musk heavily relies on government contracts.  The 25th amendment doesn't work that way.

[Valmy]

Eventually, Trump will tire of Musk and no longer see abuse in him. Their fallout will be spectacular.

Musk will not be so easily dislodged.

Why do you say that?

Musk controls his own Social Media network and has a whole collection of followers of his own.

[Razgovory]

He also gave 250 million to Trump's campaign...

[Admiral Yi]

He goes when Trump wants him to go.  He has no legal leverage. He's serving on a fake advisory committee at the pleasure and discretion of the president.

[Valmy]

He also gave 250 million to Trump's campaign...

Fucking crazy. That is a crazy amount.

But with guys like he and Bezos around we might see more of it. Our candidates will go from being bought out by collections of large stake holders to being bought by individuals.