The shit in Spain falls mainly in the fan

[garbon]

So you have it as a consultative referendum.

Lets have a referendum to bring back the Confederacy and make black people slaves again.

Don't worry it's just consultative.

I don't think Marti analogies are helpful.

[Iormlund]

FC Barcelona has apparently asked for today's match to be postponed.

It would be for the best, I think, unless you want to inflame the situation further.

[Iormlund]

Hey Celed, what's going on with the Mossos today?

Are they active at all? One has to wonder if all this shit is a way to justify their dissolution.

[celedhring]

They have shut down several polling stations in low-intensity areas (nearly 200, according to themselves), but done nothing when faced with nominal resistance from people inside. I think they wanted to nominally follow court orders without entering into full on street combat. I guess we'll know in the following days whether they actually disobeyed orders or not. I went past two of them watching a polling station earlier, and they looked really anxious.

I think we are on the road of becoming the new Ulster - with less violence. I just can't see any path to compromise right now. Yahoo!

[viper37]

Did you vote anyway?

[Drakken]

Jesus. Police is using force, with soft bullets against demonstrators. 337 people have been wounded, 3 grievously.

Who told me I was being paranoid again?

[Tamas]

They have shut down several polling stations in low-intensity areas (nearly 200, according to themselves), but done nothing when faced with nominal resistance from people inside. I think they wanted to nominally follow court orders without entering into full on street combat. I guess we'll know in the following days whether they actually disobeyed orders or not. I went past two of them watching a polling station earlier, and they looked really anxious.

I think we are on the road of becoming the new Ulster - with less violence. I just can't see any path to compromise right now. Yahoo!

Stay calm and out of trouble. This sounds terrible and for an outsider like me utterly confusing. I didn't understand why the local government was going ahead with this, but the central government's apparent eagerness to escalate seems much more unjustified.

[Iormlund]

Jesus. Police is using force, with soft bullets against demonstrators. 337 people have been wounded, 3 grievously.

Who told me I was being paranoid again?

It's not that bad, all things considered. There's probably a couple million people on the streets today.

[Tamas]

Also what was the Spanish football association thinking not allowing the cancellation of today's Barcelona match? Is it some kind of Spanish custom to have a civil war every generation?

[Iormlund]

Regional police have stated everything is fine, regarding security for the match.

[katmai]

Cr Ah the Catalans! Only the Basque deserve autonomy!

[celedhring]

Regional police have stated everything is fine, regarding security for the match.

Which is baffling, since supporter groups threatened to invade the pitch and prevent the game from taking place.

At least we're playing closed doors. I hope there isn't violence outside the pitch.

[garbon]

They have shut down several polling stations in low-intensity areas (nearly 200, according to themselves), but done nothing when faced with nominal resistance from people inside. I think they wanted to nominally follow court orders without entering into full on street combat. I guess we'll know in the following days whether they actually disobeyed orders or not. I went past two of them watching a polling station earlier, and they looked really anxious.

I think we are on the road of becoming the new Ulster - with less violence. I just can't see any path to compromise right now. Yahoo!

Stay calm and out of trouble. This sounds terrible and for an outsider like me utterly confusing. I didn't understand why the local government was going ahead with this, but the central government's apparent eagerness to escalate seems much more unjustified.

Yeah, I mean I'm generally against independent movements but if this is how the central government reacts to a vote it doesn't want...

[celedhring]

Yeah, I mean I'm generally against independent movements but if this is how the central government reacts to a vote it doesn't want...

With patriots like those in the ruling party, I'm not sure Spain needs more enemies.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Limits to fiscal transfers are completely idiotic. Transfers are a function of demographics.

not limiting transfers is idiotic, else you'll have regions that don't get their finances in order for decades on end. And would be stupid to get them in order as it'll reduce the money they get. Cases in point: Brussels, Wallonia.

A nation has right to decide how the fruits of it's labours are spent. All the fruits.

regardless: nice images coming out of Spain. Reminds me of Venezuela, or maybe Turkey. Or some other state with issues.